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From: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
To: oleg@redhat.com
Cc: mhocko@kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	kwalker@redhat.com, cl@linux.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	rientjes@google.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org, vdavydov@parallels.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	skozina@redhat.com
Subject: Re: can't oom-kill zap the victim's memory?
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 23:30:06 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201509222330.JDI64510.FOLOFQStMVFJOH@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150922124303.GA24570@redhat.com>

Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 09/22, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> >
> > I imagined a dedicated kernel thread doing something like shown below.
> > (I don't know about mm->mmap management.)
> > mm->mmap_zapped corresponds to MMF_MEMDIE.
> 
> No, it doesn't, please see below.
> 
> > bool has_sigkill_task;
> > wait_queue_head_t kick_mm_zapper;
> 
> OK, if this kthread is kicked by oom this makes more sense, but still
> doesn't look right at least initially.

Yes, I meant this kthread is kicked upon sending SIGKILL. But I forgot that

> 
> Let me repeat, I do think we need MMF_MEMDIE or something like it before
> we do something more clever. And in fact I think this flag makes sense
> regardless.
> 
> > static void mm_zapper(void *unused)
> > {
> > 	struct task_struct *g, *p;
> > 	struct mm_struct *mm;
> >
> > sleep:
> > 	wait_event(kick_remover, has_sigkill_task);
> > 	has_sigkill_task = false;
> > restart:
> > 	rcu_read_lock();
> > 	for_each_process_thread(g, p) {
> > 		if (likely(!fatal_signal_pending(p)))
> > 			continue;
> > 		task_lock(p);
> > 		mm = p->mm;
> > 		if (mm && mm->mmap && !mm->mmap_zapped && down_read_trylock(&mm->mmap_sem)) {
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> We do not want mm->mmap_zapped, it can't work. We need mm->needs_zap
> set by oom_kill_process() and cleared after zap_page_range().
> 
> Because otherwise we can not handle CLONE_VM correctly. Suppose that
> an innocent process P does vfork() and the child is killed but not
> exited yet. mm_zapper() can find the child, do zap_page_range(), and
> surprise its alive parent P which uses the same ->mm.

kill(P's-child, SIGKILL) does not kill P sharing the same ->mm.
Thus, mm_zapper() can be used for only OOM-kill case and
test_tsk_thread_flag(p, TIF_MEMDIE) should be used than
fatal_signal_pending(p).

> 
> And if we rely on MMF_MEMDIE or mm->needs_zap or whaveter then
> for_each_process_thread() doesn't really make sense. And if we have
> a single MMF_MEMDIE process (likely case) then the unconditional
> _trylock is suboptimal.

I guess the more likely case is that the OOM victim successfully exits
before mm_zapper() finds it.

I thought that a dedicated kernel thread which scans the task list can do
deferred zapping by automatically retrying (in a few seconds interval ?)
when down_read_trylock() failed. 

> 
> Tetsuo, can't we do something simple which "obviously can't hurt at
> least" and then discuss the potential improvements?

No problem. I can wait for your version.

> 
> And yes, yes, the "Kill all user processes sharing victim->mm" logic
> in oom_kill_process() doesn't 100% look right, at least wrt the change
> we discuss.

If we use test_tsk_thread_flag(p, TIF_MEMDIE), we will need to set
TIF_MEMDIE to the victim after sending SIGKILL to all processes sharing
the victim's mm. Well, the likely case that the OOM victim exits before
mm_zapper() finds it becomes not-so-likely case? Then, MMF_MEMDIE is
better than test_tsk_thread_flag(p, TIF_MEMDIE)...

> 
> Oleg.

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-22 14:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-17 17:59 [PATCH] mm/oom_kill.c: don't kill TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE tasks Kyle Walker
2015-09-17 19:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-18 15:41   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-09-18 16:24     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-18 16:39       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-18 16:54         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-18 17:00       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-09-18 19:07         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-18 19:19           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-09-18 21:28             ` Kyle Walker
2015-09-18 22:07               ` Christoph Lameter
2015-09-19  8:32         ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-19 14:33           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-19 15:51             ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-21 23:33             ` David Rientjes
2015-09-22  5:33               ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-22 23:32                 ` David Rientjes
2015-09-23 12:03                   ` Kyle Walker
2015-09-24 11:50                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-19 14:44           ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 23:27         ` David Rientjes
2015-09-19  8:25     ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-19  8:22 ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-21 23:08   ` David Rientjes
2015-09-19 15:03 ` can't oom-kill zap the victim's memory? Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-19 15:10   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-19 15:58   ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-20 13:16     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-19 22:24   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-19 22:54     ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-19 23:00     ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-19 23:13       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-20  9:33     ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-20 13:06       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-20 12:56     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-20 18:05       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-20 18:21         ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-20 18:23         ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-20 19:07         ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-21 13:57           ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 13:44         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 14:24           ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-21 15:32             ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 16:12               ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-22 16:06                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-22 23:04                   ` David Rientjes
2015-09-23 20:59                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-24 21:15                     ` David Rientjes
2015-09-25  9:35                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-25 16:14                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-28 16:18                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-28 22:28                             ` David Rientjes
2015-10-02 12:36                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-02 19:01                               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-05 14:44                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-07  5:16                                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-10-07 10:43                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-08  9:40                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-10-06  7:55                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-06  8:49                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-06  8:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-06 14:52                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-03  6:02                               ` Can't we use timeout based OOM warning/killing? Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-06 14:51                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-12  6:43                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-12 15:25                                     ` Silent hang up caused by pages being not scanned? Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-12 21:23                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-13 12:21                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-13 16:37                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-14 12:21                                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-15 13:14                                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-16 15:57                                               ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-16 18:34                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-16 18:49                                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-19 12:57                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-19 12:53                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-13 13:32                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-13 16:19                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-14 13:22                                           ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-14 14:38                                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-14 14:59                                               ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-14 15:06                                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-26 11:44                                     ` Newbie's question: memory allocation when reclaiming memory Tetsuo Handa
2015-11-05  8:46                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-10-06 15:25                                 ` Can't we use timeout based OOM warning/killing? Linus Torvalds
2015-10-08 15:33                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-10 12:50                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-28 22:24                         ` can't oom-kill zap the victim's memory? David Rientjes
2015-09-29  7:57                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-29 22:56                             ` David Rientjes
2015-09-30  4:25                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-30 10:21                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-30 21:11                                 ` David Rientjes
2015-10-01 12:13                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-01 14:48                           ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-02 13:06                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-06 18:45                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-10-07 11:03                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-07 12:00                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-10-08 14:04                           ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-08 14:01                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-21 16:51               ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-22 12:43                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-22 14:30                   ` Tetsuo Handa [this message]
2015-09-22 14:45                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 23:42               ` David Rientjes
2015-09-21 16:55           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-20 14:50   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-20 14:55     ` Oleg Nesterov

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