From: Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/31] mm, vmscan: simplify the logic deciding whether kswapd sleeps
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:03:25 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160718050324.GC9460@js1304-P5Q-DELUXE> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160714090500.GL9806@techsingularity.net>
On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:05:00AM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 02:23:32PM +0900, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > And, I'd like to know why max() is used for classzone_idx rather than
> > > > > > min()? I think that kswapd should balance the lowest zone requested.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If there are two allocation requests -- one zone-constraned and the other
> > > > > zone-unconstrained, it does not make sense to have kswapd skip the pages
> > > > > usable for the zone-unconstrained and waste a load of CPU. You could
> > > >
> > > > I agree that, in this case, it's not good to skip the pages usable
> > > > for the zone-unconstrained request. But, what I am concerned is that
> > > > kswapd stop reclaim prematurely in the view of zone-constrained
> > > > requestor.
> > >
> > > It doesn't stop reclaiming for the lower zones. It's reclaiming the LRU
> > > for the whole node that may or may not have lower zone pages at the end
> > > of the LRU. If it does, then the allocation request will be satisfied.
> > > If it does not, then kswapd will think the node is balanced and get
> > > rewoken to do a zone-constrained reclaim pass.
> >
> > If zone-constrained request could go direct reclaim pass, there would
> > be no problem. But, please assume that request is zone-constrained
> > without __GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM which is common for some device driver
> > implementation.
>
> Then it's likely GFP_ATOMIC and it'll wake kswapd on each failure. If
> kswapd is containtly awake for highmem requests then we're reclaiming
> everything anyway. Remember that if kswapd is reclaiming for higher zones,
> it'll still cover the lower zones eventually. There is no guarantee that
> skipping the highmem pages will satisfy the atomic allocations any faster
> but consuming the CPU to skip the pages is a definite cost.
Okay.
>
> Even worse, skipping highmem pages when a highmem pages are required may
> ake lowmem pressure worse because those pages are freed faster and can
> be consumed by zone-unconstrained requests.
Okay.
>
> If this really is a problem in practice then we can consider having
> allocation requests that are zone-constrained and !__GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM
> set a flag and use the min classzone for the wakeup. That flag remains
> set until kswapd takes at least one pass using the lower classzone and
> clears it. The classzone will not be adjusted higher until that flag is
It would work.
> cleared. I don't think we should do it without evidence that it's a real
> problem because kswapd potentially uses useless CPU and the potential for
> higher lowmem pressure.
Hmmm... I think differently. Your patch changes current behaviour
without any evidence. Code simplification cannot compensate
potential stability issue. Before your patch, kswapd try to
balance for minimum classzone so until dis-advantage of this approach
is proved, it's better to keep original logic.
Thanks.
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Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-07-01 20:01 [PATCH 00/31] Move LRU page reclaim from zones to nodes v8 Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 01/31] mm, vmstat: add infrastructure for per-node vmstats Mel Gorman
2016-07-04 23:50 ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-05 8:14 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-06 0:15 ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 02/31] mm, vmscan: move lru_lock to the node Mel Gorman
2016-07-05 0:03 ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 03/31] mm, vmscan: move LRU lists to node Mel Gorman
2016-07-05 1:19 ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-05 10:14 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 04/31] mm, vmscan: begin reclaiming pages on a per-node basis Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 1:12 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-07 9:48 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-08 2:28 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-08 10:05 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-14 6:28 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-14 7:48 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-18 4:52 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-18 12:11 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-18 14:27 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-19 8:30 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-19 14:25 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 05/31] mm, vmscan: have kswapd only scan based on the highest requested zone Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 06/31] mm, vmscan: make kswapd reclaim in terms of nodes Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 07/31] mm, vmscan: remove balance gap Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 08/31] mm, vmscan: simplify the logic deciding whether kswapd sleeps Mel Gorman
2016-07-05 5:59 ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-05 10:26 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-06 0:30 ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-06 8:31 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 5:51 ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-07 9:56 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 1:20 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-07 10:17 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-08 2:44 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-08 10:11 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-14 5:23 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-14 8:32 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-18 5:07 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-18 6:51 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-18 7:24 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-14 9:05 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-18 5:03 ` Joonsoo Kim [this message]
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 09/31] mm, vmscan: by default have direct reclaim only shrink once per node Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 1:43 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-07 10:27 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 10/31] mm, vmscan: remove duplicate logic clearing node congestion and dirty state Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 11/31] mm: vmscan: do not reclaim from kswapd if there is any eligible zone Mel Gorman
2016-07-05 6:11 ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-05 10:38 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-06 1:25 ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-06 8:42 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 6:27 ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-07 10:55 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 12/31] mm, vmscan: make shrink_node decisions more node-centric Mel Gorman
2016-07-05 6:24 ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-05 10:40 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 13/31] mm, memcg: move memcg limit enforcement from zones to nodes Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 14/31] mm, workingset: make working set detection node-aware Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 15/31] mm, page_alloc: consider dirtyable memory in terms of nodes Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 16/31] mm: move page mapped accounting to the node Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 17/31] mm: rename NR_ANON_PAGES to NR_ANON_MAPPED Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 18/31] mm: move most file-based accounting to the node Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 19/31] mm: move vmscan writes and file write " Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 20/31] mm, vmscan: only wakeup kswapd once per node for the requested classzone Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 1:24 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-07 10:58 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 21/31] mm, page_alloc: Wake kswapd based on the highest eligible zone Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 22/31] mm: convert zone_reclaim to node_reclaim Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 23/31] mm, vmscan: Avoid passing in classzone_idx unnecessarily to shrink_node Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 24/31] mm, vmscan: Avoid passing in classzone_idx unnecessarily to compaction_ready Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 25/31] mm, vmscan: add classzone information to tracepoints Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 26/31] mm, page_alloc: remove fair zone allocation policy Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 27/31] mm: page_alloc: cache the last node whose dirty limit is reached Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 28/31] mm: vmstat: replace __count_zone_vm_events with a zone id equivalent Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 29/31] mm: vmstat: account per-zone stalls and pages skipped during reclaim Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 30/31] mm, vmstat: print node-based stats in zoneinfo file Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 20:01 ` [PATCH 31/31] mm, vmstat: Remove zone and node double accounting by approximating retries Mel Gorman
2016-07-06 0:02 ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-06 8:58 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-06 9:33 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-07 6:47 ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-06 18:12 ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-07 11:26 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-04 1:37 ` [PATCH 00/31] Move LRU page reclaim from zones to nodes v8 Minchan Kim
2016-07-04 4:34 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-04 8:04 ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-04 9:55 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-06 1:51 ` Minchan Kim
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-07-01 15:37 Mel Gorman
2016-07-01 15:37 ` [PATCH 08/31] mm, vmscan: simplify the logic deciding whether kswapd sleeps Mel Gorman
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