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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Marinko Catovic <marinko.catovic@gmail.com>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: Caching/buffers become useless after some time
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 14:00:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180806120042.GL19540@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADF2uSocjT5Oz=1Wohahjf5-58YpT2Jm2vTQKuqA=8ywBFwCaQ@mail.gmail.com>

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On Mon 06-08-18 12:29:43, Marinko Catovic wrote:
> > Maybe a memcg with kmemcg limit? Michal could know more.
> 
> Could you/Michael explain this perhaps?

The only way how kmemcg limit could help I can think of would be to
enforce metadata reclaim much more often. But that is rather a bad
workaround.

> The hardware is pretty much high end datacenter grade, I really would
> not know how this is to be related with the hardware :(

Well, there are some drivers (mostly out-of-tree) which are high order
hungry. You can try to trace all allocations which with order > 0 and
see who that might be.
# mount -t tracefs none /debug/trace/
# echo stacktrace > /debug/trace/trace_options
# echo "order>0" > /debug/trace/events/kmem/mm_page_alloc/filter
# echo 1 > /debug/trace/events/kmem/mm_page_alloc/enable
# cat /debug/trace/trace_pipe

And later this to disable tracing.
# echo 0 > /debug/trace/events/kmem/mm_page_alloc/enable

> I do not understand why apparently the caching is working very much
> fine for the beginning after a drop_caches, then degrades to low usage
> somewhat later.

Because a lot of FS metadata is fragmenting the memory and a large
number of high order allocations which want to be served reclaim a lot
of memory to achieve their gol. Considering a large part of memory is
fragmented by unmovable objects there is no other way than to use
reclaim to release that memory.

> I can not possibly drop caches automatically, since
> this requires monitoring for overload with temporary dropping traffic
> on specific ports until the writes/reads cool down.

You do not have to drop all caches. echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
should be sufficient to drop metadata only.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-06 12:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-11 13:18 Caching/buffers become useless after some time Marinko Catovic
2018-07-12 11:34 ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-13 15:48   ` Marinko Catovic
2018-07-16 15:53     ` Marinko Catovic
2018-07-16 16:23       ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-16 16:33         ` Marinko Catovic
2018-07-16 16:45           ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-20 22:03             ` Marinko Catovic
2018-07-27 11:15               ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-07-30 14:40                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-30 22:08                   ` Marinko Catovic
2018-08-02 16:15                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-08-03 14:13                       ` Marinko Catovic
2018-08-06  9:40                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-08-06 10:29                           ` Marinko Catovic
2018-08-06 12:00                             ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2018-08-06 15:37                               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-08-06 18:16                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-09  8:29                                   ` Marinko Catovic
2018-08-21  0:36                                     ` Marinko Catovic
2018-08-21  6:49                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-21  7:19                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-08-22 20:02                                           ` Marinko Catovic
2018-08-23 12:10                                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-08-23 12:21                                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-24  0:11                                                 ` Marinko Catovic
2018-08-24  6:34                                                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-08-24  8:11                                                     ` Marinko Catovic
2018-08-24  8:36                                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-08-29 14:54                                                         ` Marinko Catovic
2018-08-29 15:01                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-29 15:13                                                             ` Marinko Catovic
2018-08-29 15:27                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-29 16:44                                                                 ` Marinko Catovic
2018-10-22  1:19                                                                   ` Marinko Catovic
2018-10-23 17:41                                                                     ` Marinko Catovic
2018-10-26  5:48                                                                       ` Marinko Catovic
2018-10-26  8:01                                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-26 23:31                                                                       ` Marinko Catovic
2018-10-27  6:42                                                                         ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                                                     ` <6e3a9434-32f2-0388-e0c7-2bd1c2ebc8b1@suse.cz>
2018-10-30 15:30                                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-30 16:08                                                                         ` Marinko Catovic
2018-10-30 17:00                                                                           ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-10-30 18:26                                                                             ` Marinko Catovic
2018-10-31  7:34                                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-31  7:32                                                                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-31 13:40                                                                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-10-31 14:53                                                                               ` Marinko Catovic
2018-10-31 17:01                                                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-31 19:21                                                                                   ` Marinko Catovic
2018-11-01 13:23                                                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-01 22:46                                                                                       ` Marinko Catovic
2018-11-02  8:05                                                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-02 11:31                                                                                           ` Marinko Catovic
2018-11-02 11:49                                                                                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-02 12:22                                                                                               ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-11-02 12:41                                                                                                 ` Marinko Catovic
2018-11-02 13:13                                                                                                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-11-02 13:50                                                                                                     ` Marinko Catovic
2018-11-02 14:49                                                                                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-11-02 14:59                                                                                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-11-30 12:01                                                                                   ` Marinko Catovic
2018-12-10 21:30                                                                                     ` Marinko Catovic
2018-12-10 21:47                                                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-31 13:12                                                                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-08-24  6:24                                                 ` Vlastimil Babka

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