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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Daniel Drake <drake@endlessm.com>,
	Vinayak Menon <vinmenon@codeaurora.org>,
	Christopher Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Peter Enderborg <peter.enderborg@sony.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@fb.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/9] psi: pressure stall information for CPU, memory, and IO
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 11:16:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180822091640.GV24124@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180821194413.GA24538@cmpxchg.org>

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 03:44:13PM -0400, Johannes Weiner wrote:

> > > +		for (s = PSI_NONIDLE; s >= 0; s--) {
> > > +			u32 time, delta;
> > > +
> > > +			time = READ_ONCE(groupc->times[s]);
> > > +			/*
> > > +			 * In addition to already concluded states, we
> > > +			 * also incorporate currently active states on
> > > +			 * the CPU, since states may last for many
> > > +			 * sampling periods.
> > > +			 *
> > > +			 * This way we keep our delta sampling buckets
> > > +			 * small (u32) and our reported pressure close
> > > +			 * to what's actually happening.
> > > +			 */
> > > +			if (test_state(groupc->tasks, cpu, s)) {
> > > +				/*
> > > +				 * We can race with a state change and
> > > +				 * need to make sure the state_start
> > > +				 * update is ordered against the
> > > +				 * updates to the live state and the
> > > +				 * time buckets (groupc->times).
> > > +				 *
> > > +				 * 1. If we observe task state that
> > > +				 * needs to be recorded, make sure we
> > > +				 * see state_start from when that
> > > +				 * state went into effect or we'll
> > > +				 * count time from the previous state.
> > > +				 *
> > > +				 * 2. If the time delta has already
> > > +				 * been added to the bucket, make sure
> > > +				 * we don't see it in state_start or
> > > +				 * we'll count it twice.
> > > +				 *
> > > +				 * If the time delta is out of
> > > +				 * state_start but not in the time
> > > +				 * bucket yet, we'll miss it entirely
> > > +				 * and handle it in the next period.
> > > +				 */
> > > +				smp_rmb();
> > > +				time += cpu_clock(cpu) - groupc->state_start;
> > > +			}
> > 
> > The alternative is adding an update to scheduler_tick(), that would
> > ensure you're never more than nr_cpu_ids * TICK_NSEC behind.
> 
> I wasn't able to convert *all* states to tick updates like this.
> 
> The reason is that, while testing rq->curr for PF_MEMSTALL is cheap,
> other tasks associated with the rq could be from any cgroup in the
> system. That means we'd have to do for_each_cgroup() on every tick to
> keep the groupc->times that closely uptodate, and that wouldn't scale.
> We tend to have hundreds of them, some setups have thousands.
> 
> Since we don't need to be *that* current, I left the on-demand update
> inside the aggregator for now. It's a bit trickier, but much cheaper.

ARGH indeed; I was thinking we only need to update current. But because
we're tracking blocked state that doesn't work.

Sorry for that :/

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-22  9:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-01 15:19 [PATCH 0/9] psi: pressure stall information for CPU, memory, and IO v3 Johannes Weiner
2018-08-01 15:19 ` [PATCH 1/9] mm: workingset: don't drop refault information prematurely Johannes Weiner
2018-08-01 15:19 ` [PATCH 2/9] mm: workingset: tell cache transitions from workingset thrashing Johannes Weiner
2018-08-01 21:56   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2018-08-02 12:28     ` Johannes Weiner
2018-08-01 15:19 ` [PATCH 3/9] delayacct: track delays from thrashing cache pages Johannes Weiner
2018-08-01 15:19 ` [PATCH 4/9] sched: loadavg: consolidate LOAD_INT, LOAD_FRAC, CALC_LOAD Johannes Weiner
2018-08-01 15:19 ` [PATCH 5/9] sched: loadavg: make calc_load_n() public Johannes Weiner
2018-08-01 15:19 ` [PATCH 6/9] sched: sched.h: make rq locking and clock functions available in stats.h Johannes Weiner
2018-08-01 15:19 ` [PATCH 7/9] sched: introduce this_rq_lock_irq() Johannes Weiner
2018-08-01 15:19 ` [PATCH 8/9] psi: pressure stall information for CPU, memory, and IO Johannes Weiner
2018-08-03 16:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-06 15:05     ` Johannes Weiner
2018-08-06 15:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-06 15:40         ` Johannes Weiner
2018-08-06 15:19     ` Johannes Weiner
2018-08-06 16:03       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-21 19:44     ` Johannes Weiner
2018-08-22  9:16       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-08-03 17:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-06 15:23     ` Johannes Weiner
2018-08-03 17:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-03 17:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-21 20:11     ` Johannes Weiner
2018-08-22  9:10       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-22 17:28         ` Johannes Weiner
2018-08-01 15:19 ` [PATCH 9/9] psi: cgroup support Johannes Weiner
2018-08-07 11:50 ` [PATCH 0/9] psi: pressure stall information for CPU, memory, and IO v3 peter enderborg
2018-08-07 17:51   ` Johannes Weiner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-08-28 17:22 [PATCH 0/9] psi: pressure stall information for CPU, memory, and IO v4 Johannes Weiner
2018-08-28 17:22 ` [PATCH 8/9] psi: pressure stall information for CPU, memory, and IO Johannes Weiner
2018-08-28 20:11   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-08-28 20:56     ` Johannes Weiner
2018-08-28 21:30       ` Randy Dunlap
2018-09-07 10:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-07 10:21     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-07 14:44     ` Johannes Weiner
2018-09-07 14:58       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-07 17:50         ` Johannes Weiner
2018-09-07 10:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-07 14:54     ` Johannes Weiner
2018-08-01 15:12 Johannes Weiner
2018-08-01 15:13 ` [PATCH 8/9] psi: pressure stall information for CPU, memory, and IO Johannes Weiner

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