From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
Dmitriy Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] lockdep: Use line-buffered printk() for lockdep messages.
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 13:46:47 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181123124647.jmewvgrqdpra7wbm@pathway.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <deb8d78b-0593-2b8e-1c7a-9203aa77005f@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
On Sat 2018-11-10 11:42:03, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> On 2018/11/10 0:43, Petr Mladek wrote:
> >> + * Line buffered printk() tries to assign a buffer when printk() from a new
> >> + * context identifier comes in. And it automatically releases that buffer when
> >> + * one of three conditions listed below became true.
> >> + *
> >> + * (1) printk() from that context identifier emitted '\n' as the last
> >> + * character of output.
> >> + * (2) printk() from that context identifier tried to print a too long line
> >> + * which cannot be stored into a buffer.
> >> + * (3) printk() from a new context identifier noticed that some context
> >> + * identifier is reserving a buffer for more than 10 seconds without
> >> + * emitting '\n'.
> >> + *
> >> + * Since (3) is based on a heuristic that somebody forgot to emit '\n' as the
> >> + * last character of output(), pr_cont()/KERN_CONT users are expected to emit
> >> + * '\n' within 10 seconds even if they reserved a buffer.
> >
> > This is my main concern about this approach. It is so easy to omit
> > the final '\n'.
>
> If it is so easy to forget the final '\n', there will be a lot of implicit
> pr_cont() users (because pr_cont() assumes that previous printk() omitted the
> final '\n'), and "I am going to investigate much more pr_cont() users." will
> be insufficient for getting meaningful conclusion.
>
> Checking "lack of the the final '\n'" means that we need to check
> "all printk() users who are not emitting the final '\n'" and evaluate
> "whether there is a possibility that subsequent printk() will not be
> called from that context due to e.g. conditional branches". That is an
> impossible task for anybody, for there might be out-of-tree code doing it.
> >
> > They are currently delayed until another printk(). Even this is bad.
> > Unfortunately we could not setup timer from printk() because it
> > would add more locks into the game.
>
> We could use interval timer for flushing incomplete line.
I am more and more wondering if the buffered printk is worth
the effort. The more buffers we use the more we risk that nobody
would see some important message. Even a part of the line
might be crucial in some situations.
Steven told me on Plumbers conference that even few initial
characters saved him a day few times.
> But updating printk() users to always end with '\n' will be preferable.
This sounds like a whack a mole game. If I get it correctly, you write
that it is "an impossible task for anybody" just few lines above.
Best Regards,
Petr
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-11-23 12:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-11-02 13:31 [PATCH v6 1/3] printk: Add line-buffered printk() API Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-02 13:31 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: Use line-buffered printk() for show_free_areas() Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-07 14:07 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-02 13:31 ` [PATCH 3/3] lockdep: Use line-buffered printk() for lockdep messages Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-02 13:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-03 2:00 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-06 8:38 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-06 9:05 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-06 12:57 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-06 9:56 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-07 15:19 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-08 4:45 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-08 11:37 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-09 6:12 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-09 9:55 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-09 15:43 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-10 2:42 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-23 12:46 ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2018-11-23 13:12 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-23 15:56 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-24 0:24 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-26 4:34 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-28 13:29 ` David Laight
2018-11-29 10:09 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-30 16:01 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-10 8:52 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-23 12:52 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-09 14:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-09 14:42 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-08 11:53 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-08 12:44 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-08 14:21 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-09 9:54 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-02 14:40 ` [PATCH v6 1/3] printk: Add line-buffered printk() API Matthew Wilcox
2018-11-03 1:55 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-02 18:12 ` kbuild test robot
2018-11-06 14:35 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-07 10:21 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-07 12:54 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-08 2:21 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-08 11:24 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-08 11:46 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-08 12:30 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-09 14:10 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-12 7:59 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-12 10:42 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-17 10:14 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-07 10:52 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-07 11:01 ` David Laight
2018-11-07 12:00 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-07 11:45 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-08 2:30 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-07 13:41 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-07 14:06 ` Petr Mladek
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