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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, dan.j.williams@intel.com,
	pavel.tatashin@microsoft.com, jglisse@redhat.com,
	Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com, rafael@kernel.org, david@redhat.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/5] mm, memory_hotplug: Refactor shrink_zone/pgdat_span
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:14:26 +0100
Message-ID: <20181128101426.GH6923@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1543388866.2920.5.camel@suse.de>

On Wed 28-11-18 08:07:46, Oscar Salvador wrote:
> On Wed, 2018-11-28 at 07:50 +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > 
> > I didn't get to read through this whole series but one thing that is
> > on
> > my todo list for a long time is to remove all this stuff. I do not
> > think
> > we really want to simplify it when there shouldn't be any real reason
> > to
> > have it around at all. Why do we need to shrink zone/node at all?
> > 
> > Now that we can override and assign memory to both normal na movable
> > zones I think we should be good to remove shrinking.
> 
> I feel like I am missing a piece of obvious information here.
> Right now, we shrink zone/node to decrease spanned pages.
> I thought this was done for consistency, and in case of the node, in
> try_offline_node we use the spanned pages to go through all sections
> to check whether the node can be removed or not.
> 
> >From your comment, I understand that we do not really care about
> spanned pages. Why?
> Could you please expand on that?

OK, so what is the difference between memory hotremoving a range withing
a zone and on the zone boundary? There should be none, yet spanned pages
do get updated only when we do the later, IIRC? So spanned pages is not
really all that valuable information. It just tells the
zone_end-zone_start. Also not what is the semantic of
spanned_pages for interleaving zones.

> And if we remove it, would not this give to a user "bad"/confusing
> information when looking at /proc/zoneinfo?

Who does use spanned pages for anything really important? It is managed
pages that people do care about.

Maybe there is something that makes this harder than I anticipate but I
have a strong feeling that this all complication should simply go.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  parent reply index

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-27 16:20 [PATCH v2 0/5] Do not touch pages in hot-remove path Oscar Salvador
2018-11-27 16:20 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] mm, memory_hotplug: Add nid parameter to arch_remove_memory Oscar Salvador
2018-11-27 16:20 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] kernel, resource: Check for IORESOURCE_SYSRAM in release_mem_region_adjustable Oscar Salvador
2018-11-27 16:20 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] mm, memory_hotplug: Move zone/pages handling to offline stage Oscar Salvador
2018-11-28  7:52   ` Mike Rapoport
2018-11-28 14:25     ` osalvador
2018-11-28 14:15   ` osalvador
2018-11-27 16:20 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] mm, memory-hotplug: Rework unregister_mem_sect_under_nodes Oscar Salvador
2019-03-24  6:48   ` Anshuman Khandual
2019-03-25  7:40     ` Oscar Salvador
2019-03-25  8:04       ` Michal Hocko
2019-03-25  8:14         ` Oscar Salvador
2018-11-27 16:20 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] mm, memory_hotplug: Refactor shrink_zone/pgdat_span Oscar Salvador
2018-11-28  6:50   ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-28  7:07     ` Oscar Salvador
2018-11-28 10:03       ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-28 10:14       ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2018-11-28 11:00         ` osalvador
2018-11-28 12:31           ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-28 12:51             ` osalvador
2018-11-28 13:08               ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-28 13:18                 ` osalvador
2018-11-28 15:50                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-28 16:02                     ` osalvador
2018-11-29  9:29                     ` osalvador
2018-11-28 13:09               ` osalvador

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