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From: Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Yao Yuan <yuan.yao@intel.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Fan Du <fan.du@intel.com>, Peng Dong <dongx.peng@intel.com>,
	Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	Liu Jingqi <jingqi.liu@intel.com>,
	Dong Eddie <eddie.dong@intel.com>,
	Zhang Yi <yi.z.zhang@linux.intel.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 11/21] kvm: allocate page table pages from DRAM
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 18:21:52 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190107102152.d3infdyw3zupu2xj@wfg-t540p.sh.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b99ef113-a9c1-f580-0fee-9f258b861391@intel.com>

On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 08:47:25AM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
>On 12/26/18 5:14 AM, Fengguang Wu wrote:
>> +static unsigned long __get_dram_free_pages(gfp_t gfp_mask)
>> +{
>> +       struct page *page;
>> +
>> +       page = __alloc_pages(GFP_KERNEL_ACCOUNT, 0, numa_node_id());
>> +       if (!page)
>> +	       return 0;
>> +       return (unsigned long) page_address(page);
>> +}
>
>There seems to be a ton of *policy* baked into these patches.  For
>instance: thou shalt not allocate page tables pages from PMEM.  That's
>surely not a policy we want to inflict on every Linux user until the end
>of time.

Right. It's straight forward policy for users that care performance.
The project is planned by 3 steps, at this moment we are in phase (1):

1) core functionalities, easy to backport
2) upstream-able total solution
3) upstream when API stabilized

The dumb kernel interface /proc/PID/idle_pages enables doing
the majority policies in user space. However for the other smaller
parts, it looks easier to just implement an obvious policy first.
Then to consider more possibilities.

>I think the more important question is how we can have the specific
>policy that this patch implements, but also leave open room for other
>policies, such as: "I don't care how slow this VM runs, minimize the
>amount of fast memory it eats."

Agreed. I'm open for more ways. We can treat these patches as the
soliciting version. If anyone send reasonable improvements or even
totally different way of doing it, I'd be happy to incorporate.

Thanks,
Fengguang

  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-07 10:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-26 13:14 [RFC][PATCH v2 00/21] PMEM NUMA node and hotness accounting/migration Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14 ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 01/21] e820: cheat PMEM as DRAM Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-27  3:41   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-27  4:11     ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-27  5:13       ` Dan Williams
2018-12-27  5:13         ` Dan Williams
2018-12-27 19:32         ` Yang Shi
2018-12-27 19:32           ` Yang Shi
2018-12-28  3:27           ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 02/21] acpi/numa: memorize NUMA node type from SRAT table Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 03/21] x86/numa_emulation: fix fake NUMA in uniform case Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 04/21] x86/numa_emulation: pass numa node type to fake nodes Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 05/21] mmzone: new pgdat flags for DRAM and PMEM Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 06/21] x86,numa: update numa node type Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 07/21] mm: export node type {pmem|dram} under /sys/bus/node Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 08/21] mm: introduce and export pgdat peer_node Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-27 20:07   ` Christopher Lameter
2018-12-27 20:07     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-12-28  2:31     ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 09/21] mm: avoid duplicate peer target node Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 10/21] mm: build separate zonelist for PMEM and DRAM node Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14   ` Fengguang Wu
2019-01-01  9:14   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2019-01-01  9:14     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2019-01-07  9:57     ` Fengguang Wu
2019-01-07 14:09       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2018-12-26 13:14 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 11/21] kvm: allocate page table pages from DRAM Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14   ` Fengguang Wu
2019-01-01  9:23   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2019-01-01  9:23     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2019-01-02  0:59     ` Yuan Yao
2019-01-02 16:47   ` Dave Hansen
2019-01-07 10:21     ` Fengguang Wu [this message]
2018-12-26 13:14 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 12/21] x86/pgtable: " Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 13/21] x86/pgtable: dont check PMD accessed bit Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:14   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:15 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 14/21] kvm: register in mm_struct Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:15   ` Fengguang Wu
2019-02-02  6:57   ` Peter Xu
2019-02-02 10:50     ` Fengguang Wu
2019-02-04 10:46     ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-12-26 13:15 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 15/21] ept-idle: EPT walk for virtual machine Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:15   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:15 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 16/21] mm-idle: mm_walk for normal task Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:15   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:15 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 17/21] proc: introduce /proc/PID/idle_pages Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:15   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:15 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 18/21] kvm-ept-idle: enable module Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:15   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:15 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 19/21] mm/migrate.c: add move_pages(MPOL_MF_SW_YOUNG) flag Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:15   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:15 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 20/21] mm/vmscan.c: migrate anon DRAM pages to PMEM node Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:15   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:15 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 21/21] mm/vmscan.c: shrink anon list if can migrate to PMEM Fengguang Wu
2018-12-26 13:15   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-27 20:31 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 00/21] PMEM NUMA node and hotness accounting/migration Michal Hocko
2018-12-28  5:08   ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-28  8:41     ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-28  9:42       ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-28 12:15         ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-28 13:15           ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-28 13:15             ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-28 19:46             ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-28 13:31           ` Fengguang Wu
2018-12-28 18:28             ` Yang Shi
2018-12-28 18:28               ` Yang Shi
2018-12-28 19:52             ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-02 12:21               ` Jonathan Cameron
2019-01-02 12:21                 ` Jonathan Cameron
2019-01-08 14:52                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-10 15:53                   ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-10 15:53                     ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-10 16:42                     ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-10 17:42                       ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-10 17:42                         ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-10 18:26                   ` Jonathan Cameron
2019-01-10 18:26                     ` Jonathan Cameron
2019-01-28 17:42                 ` Jonathan Cameron
2019-01-28 17:42                   ` Jonathan Cameron
2019-01-29  2:00                   ` Fengguang Wu
2019-01-03 10:57               ` Mel Gorman
2019-01-10 16:25               ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-10 16:25                 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-10 16:50                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-10 18:02                   ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-10 18:02                     ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-02 18:12       ` Dave Hansen
2019-01-08 14:53         ` Michal Hocko

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