From: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>,
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"Ravi V. Shankar" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 22/27] binfmt_elf: Extract .note.gnu.property from an ELF file
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 14:32:25 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190618133223.GD2790@e103592.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190618125512.GJ3419@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 02:55:12PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 02:47:00PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > * Peter Zijlstra:
> >
> > > I'm not sure I read Thomas' comment like that. In my reading keeping the
> > > PT_NOTE fallback is exactly one of those 'fly workarounds'. By not
> > > supporting PT_NOTE only the 'fine' people already shit^Hpping this out
> > > of tree are affected, and we don't have to care about them at all.
> >
> > Just to be clear here: There was an ABI document that required PT_NOTE
> > parsing.
>
> URGH.
>
> > The Linux kernel does *not* define the x86-64 ABI, it only
> > implements it. The authoritative source should be the ABI document.
> >
> > In this particularly case, so far anyone implementing this ABI extension
> > tried to provide value by changing it, sometimes successfully. Which
> > makes me wonder why we even bother to mainatain ABI documentation. The
> > kernel is just very late to the party.
>
> How can the kernel be late to the party if all of this is spinning
> wheels without kernel support?
PT_GNU_PROPERTY is mentioned and allocated a p_type value in hjl's
spec [1], but otherwise seems underspecified.
In particular, it's not clear whether a PT_GNU_PROPERTY phdr _must_ be
emitted for NT_GNU_PROPERTY_TYPE_0. While it seems a no-brainer to emit
it, RHEL's linker already doesn't IIUC, and there are binaries in the
wild.
Maybe this phdr type is a late addition -- I haven't attempted to dig
through the history.
For arm64 we don't have this out-of-tree legacy to support, so we can
avoid exhausitvely searching for the note: no PT_GNU_PROPERTY ->
no note.
So, can we do the same for x86, forcing RHEL to carry some code out of
tree to support their legacy binaries? Or do we accept that there is
already a de facto ABI and try to be compatible with it?
From my side, I want to avoid duplication between x86 and arm64, and
keep unneeded complexity out of the ELF loader where possible.
Cheers
---Dave
[1] https://github.com/hjl-tools/linux-abi/wiki/Linux-Extensions-to-gABI
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Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-06-06 20:06 [PATCH v7 00/27] Control-flow Enforcement: Shadow Stack Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 01/27] Documentation/x86: Add CET description Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 02/27] x86/cpufeatures: Add CET CPU feature flags for Control-flow Enforcement Technology (CET) Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 03/27] x86/fpu/xstate: Change names to separate XSAVES system and user states Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 04/27] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce XSAVES system states Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 21:18 ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-06 22:04 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-06 22:08 ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-06 22:10 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 1:54 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 05/27] x86/fpu/xstate: Add XSAVES system states for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 7:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-07 16:14 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 06/27] x86/cet: Add control protection exception handler Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 07/27] x86/cet/shstk: Add Kconfig option for user-mode shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 08/27] mm: Introduce VM_SHSTK for shadow stack memory Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 09/27] mm/mmap: Prevent Shadow Stack VMA merges Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 10/27] x86/mm: Change _PAGE_DIRTY to _PAGE_DIRTY_HW Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 11/27] x86/mm: Introduce _PAGE_DIRTY_SW Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 12/27] drm/i915/gvt: Update _PAGE_DIRTY to _PAGE_DIRTY_BITS Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 13/27] x86/mm: Modify ptep_set_wrprotect and pmdp_set_wrprotect for _PAGE_DIRTY_SW Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 14/27] x86/mm: Shadow stack page fault error checking Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 15/27] mm: Handle shadow stack page fault Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 7:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 16/27] mm: Handle THP/HugeTLB " Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 17/27] mm: Update can_follow_write_pte/pmd for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 18/27] mm: Introduce do_mmap_locked() Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 7:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-07 7:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-07 16:16 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 19/27] x86/cet/shstk: User-mode shadow stack support Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 20/27] x86/cet/shstk: Introduce WRUSS instruction Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 21/27] x86/cet/shstk: Handle signals for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 22/27] binfmt_elf: Extract .note.gnu.property from an ELF file Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 7:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-07 16:17 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 18:01 ` Dave Martin
2019-06-10 16:29 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-10 16:57 ` Dave Martin
2019-06-10 17:24 ` Florian Weimer
2019-06-11 11:41 ` Dave Martin
2019-06-11 19:31 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-12 9:32 ` Dave Martin
2019-06-12 19:04 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-13 13:26 ` Dave Martin
2019-06-17 11:08 ` Florian Weimer
2019-06-17 12:20 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-18 9:12 ` Dave Martin
2019-06-18 12:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-18 12:47 ` Florian Weimer
2019-06-18 12:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-18 13:32 ` Dave Martin [this message]
2019-06-18 14:58 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-18 15:49 ` Florian Weimer
2019-06-18 15:53 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-18 16:05 ` Florian Weimer
2019-06-18 16:00 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-18 16:20 ` Dave Martin
2019-06-18 16:25 ` Florian Weimer
2019-06-18 16:50 ` Dave Martin
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 23/27] x86/cet/shstk: ELF header parsing of Shadow Stack Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 7:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 24/27] x86/cet/shstk: Handle thread shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 25/27] mm/mmap: Add Shadow stack pages to memory accounting Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-11 17:55 ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-11 19:22 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 26/27] x86/cet/shstk: Add arch_prctl functions for Shadow Stack Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v7 27/27] x86/cet/shstk: Add Shadow Stack instructions to opcode map Yu-cheng Yu
2019-11-01 14:03 ` Adrian Hunter
2019-11-01 14:17 ` Yu-cheng Yu
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