From: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
dsterba@suse.cz, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] mm, sl[aou]b: guarantee natural alignment for kmalloc(power-of-two)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:21:03 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190924222103.GB2229799@magnolia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190924215353.GG16973@dread.disaster.area>
On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 07:53:53AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:19:29PM +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> > On 9/23/19 7:51 PM, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 07:17:10PM +0200, David Sterba wrote:
> > >> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 06:36:32PM +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> > >>> So if anyone thinks this is a good idea, please express it (preferably
> > >>> in a formal way such as Acked-by), otherwise it seems the patch will be
> > >>> dropped (due to a private NACK, apparently).
> > >
> > > Oh, I didn't realize ^^^^^^^^^^^^ that *some* of us are allowed the
> > > privilege of gutting a patch via private NAK without any of that open
> > > development discussion incovenience. <grumble>
> > >
> > > As far as XFS is concerned I merged Dave's series that checks the
> > > alignment of io memory allocations and falls back to vmalloc if the
> > > alignment won't work, because I got tired of scrolling past the endless
> > > discussion and bug reports and inaction spanning months.
> >
> > I think it's a big fail of kmalloc API that you have to do that, and
> > especially with vmalloc, which has the overhead of setting up page
> > tables, and it's a waste for allocation requests smaller than page size.
> > I wish we could have nice things.
>
> I don't think the problem here is the code. The problem here is that
> we have a dysfunctional development community and there are no
> processes we can follow to ensure architectural problems in core
> subsystems are addressed in a timely manner...
>
> And this criticism isn't just of the mm/ here - this alignment
> problem is exacerbated by exactly the same issue on the block layer
> side. i.e. the block layer and drivers have -zero- bounds checking
> to catch these sorts of things and the block layer maintainer will
> not accept patches for runtime checks that would catch these issues
> and make them instantly visible to us.
>
> These are not code problems: we can fix the problems with code (and
> I have done so to demonstrate "this is how we do what you say is
> impossible"). The problem here is people in positions of
> control/power are repeatedly demonstrating an inability to
> compromise to reach a solution that works for everyone.
>
> It's far better for us just to work around bullshit like this in XFS
> now, then when the core subsystems get they act together years down
> the track we can remove the workaround from XFS. Users don't care
> how we fix the problem, they just want it fixed. If that means we
> have to route around dysfunctional developer groups, then we'll just
> have to do that....
Seconded.
--D
> Cheers,
>
> Dave.
> --
> Dave Chinner
> david@fromorbit.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-09-24 22:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-08-26 11:16 [PATCH v2 0/2] guarantee natural alignment for kmalloc() Vlastimil Babka
2019-08-26 11:16 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] mm, sl[ou]b: improve memory accounting Vlastimil Babka
2019-08-26 11:16 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] mm, sl[aou]b: guarantee natural alignment for kmalloc(power-of-two) Vlastimil Babka
2019-08-28 18:45 ` Christopher Lameter
2019-08-28 19:46 ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-08-28 22:24 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-29 7:56 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-08-30 0:29 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-29 7:39 ` Michal Hocko
2019-08-30 17:41 ` Christopher Lameter
2019-09-01 0:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-09-03 20:13 ` Christopher Lameter
2019-09-03 20:53 ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-09-04 5:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-09-04 6:40 ` Ming Lei
2019-09-04 7:20 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-09-04 19:31 ` Christopher Lameter
2019-09-23 16:36 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-09-23 17:17 ` David Sterba
2019-09-23 17:51 ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-09-24 20:47 ` cl
2019-09-24 20:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-09-24 20:55 ` cl
2019-09-26 13:02 ` David Sterba
2019-09-24 21:19 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-09-24 21:53 ` Dave Chinner
2019-09-24 22:21 ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2019-09-24 20:52 ` cl
2019-09-24 23:54 ` Andrew Morton
2019-09-25 7:17 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-09-26 0:16 ` Christopher Lameter
2019-09-26 0:14 ` Christopher Lameter
2019-09-26 7:41 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-09-28 1:12 ` Christopher Lameter
2019-09-30 13:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-09-23 17:54 ` Roman Gushchin
2019-09-30 8:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-09-30 9:23 ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-30 9:32 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-23 18:57 ` Matthew Wilcox
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