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From: Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/26] xfs: Improve metadata buffer reclaim accountability
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 08:05:58 -0400
Message-ID: <20191012120558.GA3307@bfoster> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191011231323.GK16973@dread.disaster.area>

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 10:13:23AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 08:39:39AM -0400, Brian Foster wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 02:21:02PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > From: Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>
> > > 
> > > The buffer cache shrinker frees more than just the xfs_buf slab
> > > objects - it also frees the pages attached to the buffers. Make sure
> > > the memory reclaim code accounts for this memory being freed
> > > correctly, similar to how the inode shrinker accounts for pages
> > > freed from the page cache due to mapping invalidation.
> > > 
> > > We also need to make sure that the mm subsystem knows these are
> > > reclaimable objects. We provide the memory reclaim subsystem with a
> > > a shrinker to reclaim xfs_bufs, so we should really mark the slab
> > > that way.
> > > 
> > > We also have a lot of xfs_bufs in a busy system, spread them around
> > > like we do inodes.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>
> > > ---
> > 
> > Seems reasonable, but for inodes we also spread the ili zone. Should we
> > not be consistent with bli's as well?
> 
> bli's are reclaimed when the buffer is cleaned. ili's live for the
> live of the inode in cache. Hence bli's are short term allocations
> (much shorter than xfs_bufs they attach to) and are reclaimed much
> faster than inodes and their ilis. There's also a lot less blis than
> ili's, so the spread of their footprint across memory nodes doesn't
> matter that much. Local access for the memcpy during formatting is
> probably more important than spreading the memory usage of them
> these days, anyway.
> 

Yes, the buffer/inode lifecycle difference is why why I presume bli
zones are not ZONE_RECLAIM like ili zones. This doesn't tell me anything
about why buffers should be spread around as such and buffer log items
not, though..

Brian

> Cheers,
> 
> Dave.
> -- 
> Dave Chinner
> david@fromorbit.com


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Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-09  3:20 [PATCH V2 00/26] mm, xfs: non-blocking inode reclaim Dave Chinner
2019-10-09  3:20 ` [PATCH 01/26] xfs: Lower CIL flush limit for large logs Dave Chinner
2019-10-11 12:39   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-30 17:08   ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 02/26] xfs: Throttle commits on delayed background CIL push Dave Chinner
2019-10-11 12:38   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 03/26] xfs: don't allow log IO to be throttled Dave Chinner
2019-10-11  9:35   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-11 12:39   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-30 17:14   ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 04/26] xfs: Improve metadata buffer reclaim accountability Dave Chinner
2019-10-11 12:39   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-11 12:57     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-11 23:14       ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-11 23:13     ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-12 12:05       ` Brian Foster [this message]
2019-10-13  3:14         ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-14 13:05           ` Brian Foster
2019-10-30 17:25   ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-10-30 21:43     ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-31  3:06       ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-10-31 20:50         ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-31 21:05           ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-10-31 21:22             ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-11-03 21:26             ` Dave Chinner
2019-11-04 23:08               ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 05/26] xfs: correctly acount for reclaimable slabs Dave Chinner
2019-10-11 12:39   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-30 17:16   ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 06/26] xfs: synchronous AIL pushing Dave Chinner
2019-10-11  9:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-11 12:40   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-11 23:15     ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 07/26] xfs: tail updates only need to occur when LSN changes Dave Chinner
2019-10-11  9:50   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-11 12:40   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 08/26] mm: directed shrinker work deferral Dave Chinner
2019-10-14  8:46   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-14 13:06     ` Brian Foster
2019-10-18  7:59     ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 09/26] shrinkers: use defer_work for GFP_NOFS sensitive shrinkers Dave Chinner
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 10/26] mm: factor shrinker work calculations Dave Chinner
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 11/26] shrinker: defer work only to kswapd Dave Chinner
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 12/26] shrinker: clean up variable types and tracepoints Dave Chinner
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 13/26] mm: reclaim_state records pages reclaimed, not slabs Dave Chinner
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 14/26] mm: back off direct reclaim on excessive shrinker deferral Dave Chinner
2019-10-11 16:21   ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-10-11 23:20     ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 15/26] mm: kswapd backoff for shrinkers Dave Chinner
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 16/26] xfs: synchronous AIL pushing Dave Chinner
2019-10-11 10:18   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-11 15:29     ` Brian Foster
2019-10-11 23:27       ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-12 12:08         ` Brian Foster
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 17/26] xfs: don't block kswapd in inode reclaim Dave Chinner
2019-10-11 15:29   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 18/26] xfs: reduce kswapd blocking on inode locking Dave Chinner
2019-10-11 10:29   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 19/26] xfs: kill background reclaim work Dave Chinner
2019-10-11 10:31   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 20/26] xfs: use AIL pushing for inode reclaim IO Dave Chinner
2019-10-11 17:38   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 21/26] xfs: remove mode from xfs_reclaim_inodes() Dave Chinner
2019-10-11 10:39   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-14 13:07   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 22/26] xfs: track reclaimable inodes using a LRU list Dave Chinner
2019-10-11 10:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-14 13:07   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 23/26] xfs: reclaim inodes from the LRU Dave Chinner
2019-10-11 10:56   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-30 23:25     ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 24/26] xfs: remove unusued old inode reclaim code Dave Chinner
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 25/26] xfs: rework unreferenced inode lookups Dave Chinner
2019-10-11 12:55   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-11 13:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-11 23:38     ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-14 13:07   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-17  1:24     ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-17  7:57       ` Brian Foster
2019-10-18 20:29         ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-09  3:21 ` [PATCH 26/26] xfs: use xfs_ail_push_all_sync in xfs_reclaim_inodes Dave Chinner
2019-10-11  9:55   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-09  7:06 ` [PATCH V2 00/26] mm, xfs: non-blocking inode reclaim Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-11 19:03 ` Josef Bacik
2019-10-11 23:48   ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-12  0:19     ` Josef Bacik
2019-10-12  0:48       ` Dave Chinner

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