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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
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	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v1] mm: is_mem_section_removable() overhaul
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 20:09:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200122190903.GD29276@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f35cbe9e-b8bf-127e-698f-d08972d30614@redhat.com>

On Wed 22-01-20 19:46:15, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 22.01.20 19:38, Michal Hocko wrote:
[...]
> > How exactly is check + offline more optimal then offline which makes
> > check as its first step? I will get to your later points after this is
> > clarified.
> 
> Scanning (almost) lockless is more efficient than bouncing back and
> forth with the device_hotplug_lock, mem_hotplug_lock, cpu_hotplug_lock
> and zone locks - as far as I understand.

All but the zone lock shouldn't be really contended and as such
shouldn't cause any troubles. zone->lock really depends on the page
allocator usage of course. But as soon as we have a contention then it
is just more likely that the result is less reliable.

I would be also really curious about how much actual time could be saved
by this - some real numbers - because hotplug operations shouldn't
happen so often that this would stand out. At least that is my
understanding.

> And as far as I understood, that was the whole reason of the original
> commit.

Well, I have my doubts but it might be just me and I might be wrong. My
experience from a large part of the memory hotplug functionality is that
it was driven by a good intention but without a due diligence to think
behind the most obvious usecase. Having a removable flag on the memblock
sounds like a neat idea of course. But an inherently racy flag is just
borderline useful.

Anyway, I will stop at this moment and wait for real usecases.

Thanks!
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-22 19:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-17 10:57 [PATCH RFC v1] mm: is_mem_section_removable() overhaul David Hildenbrand
2020-01-17 11:33 ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-17 13:08   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-17 14:52     ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-17 14:58       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-17 15:29         ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-17 15:54           ` Dan Williams
2020-01-17 16:10             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-17 16:57               ` Dan Williams
2020-01-20  7:48                 ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-20  9:14                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-20  9:20                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-21 12:07                     ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-22 10:39                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-22 10:42                         ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-22 10:54                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-22 11:58                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-22 16:46                               ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-22 18:15                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-22 18:38                                   ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-22 18:46                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-22 19:09                                       ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2020-01-22 20:51                                         ` Dan Williams
2020-01-22 19:01                                   ` Michal Hocko

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