From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7850FC10DCE for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 20:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kanga.kvack.org (kanga.kvack.org [205.233.56.17]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F549205C9 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 20:26:04 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 3F549205C9 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=mit.edu Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) id CBF086B0007; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 40) id C70A06B0008; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:26:03 -0500 (EST) X-Delivered-To: int-list-linux-mm@kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 63042) id B85D66B000A; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:26:03 -0500 (EST) X-Delivered-To: linux-mm@kvack.org Received: from forelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0200.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.200]) by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E00C6B0007 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpin23.hostedemail.com (10.5.19.251.rfc1918.com [10.5.19.251]) by forelay01.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69563180AD801 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC) X-FDA: 76566069006.23.board23_34cd7ec5a2a5d X-HE-Tag: board23_34cd7ec5a2a5d X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 3295 Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by imf17.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 20:26:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from callcc.thunk.org (guestnat-104-133-0-105.corp.google.com [104.133.0.105] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 026KPXT6005112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:25:34 -0500 Received: by callcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id 113E242045B; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:25:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:25:32 -0500 From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" To: James Bottomley Cc: Chris Mason , Josef Bacik , lsf-pc , Linux FS Devel , linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Btrfs BTRFS , bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [LSFMMBPF TOPIC] long live LFSMMBPF Message-ID: <20200306202532.GC12490@mit.edu> References: <76B62C4B-6ECB-482B-BF7D-95F42E43E7EB@fb.com> <1583523705.3653.94.camel@HansenPartnership.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1583523705.3653.94.camel@HansenPartnership.com> X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 11:41:45AM -0800, James Bottomley wrote: > And, for everyone who gave us feedback in the Plumbers surveys that co- > locating with a big conference is *not* what you want because of > various problems like hallway track disruptions due to other conference > traffic and simply the difficulty of finding people, the current model > under consideration is one conference organization (the LF) but two > separate venues, sort of like OpenStack used to do for their big > conference and design summit to minimize disruption and increase > developer focus. Ths is what I tried to push last year, which was to colocate LSF/MM and KS/MS in Austin, at the same time as OSS 2020, but in a separate hotel so we didn't have to deal with the cast of thousands which go to OSS. I also liked it because OSS 2020 is in June, so it would have been from a spacing perspective it would have been an easy way to start moving MS/KS from the second half of the year into first half of the year. But some folks pointed out (not without reason), that Palm Springs was a lot more fun than Austin, and OSS still has a somewhat bad reputation of having some really trashy talks, and so even in separate venue, there were people who really didn't like the idea. Because of this, when the LF (in December 2019) suggested moving the MS/KS to Austin as part of OSS, I didn't think we would have critical mass to overcome the reputation of talks like "#OSSummit: Seven Properties of Highly Secure IoT." and so I told Angela, "No, we really can't do this without something like LSF/MM to make sure we have critical mass for a second Linux systems conference." - Ted