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Shutemov" , Cannon Matthews , Mike Kravetz , Andrew Morton , David Rientjes , Greg Thelen , Salman Qazi , linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: clear 1G pages with streaming stores on x86 Message-ID: <20200309183704.GA1573@bombadil.infradead.org> References: <20200307010353.172991-1-cannonmatthews@google.com> <20200309000820.f37opzmppm67g6et@box> <20200309090630.GC8447@dhcp22.suse.cz> <20200309153831.GK1454533@tassilo.jf.intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200309153831.GK1454533@tassilo.jf.intel.com> X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Mon, Mar 09, 2020 at 08:38:31AM -0700, Andi Kleen wrote: > > Gigantic huge pages are a bit different. They are much less dynamic from > > the usage POV in my experience. Micro-optimizations for the first access > > tends to not matter at all as it is usually pre-allocation scenario. On > > the other hand, speeding up the initialization sounds like a good thing > > in general. It will be a single time benefit but if the additional code > > is not hard to maintain then I would be inclined to take it even with > > "artificial" numbers state above. There really shouldn't be other downsides > > except for the code maintenance, right? > > There's a cautious tale of the old crappy RAID5 XOR assembler functions which > were optimized a long time ago for the Pentium1, and stayed around, > even though the compiler could actually do a better job. > > String instructions are constantly improving in performance (Broadwell is > very old at this point) Most likely over time (and maybe even today > on newer CPUs) you would need much more sophisticated unrolled MOVNTI variants > (or maybe even AVX-*) to be competitive. Presumably you have access to current and maybe even some unreleased CPUs ... I mean, he's posted the patches, so you can test this hypothesis.