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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: George Spelvin <lkml@SDF.ORG>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/shuffle.c: optimize add_to_free_area_random()
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 14:44:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202003171435.41F7F0DF9@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200317135035.GA19442@SDF.ORG>

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 01:50:35PM +0000, George Spelvin wrote:
> First, use long rather than u64 for the bit buffer type, which
> is significantly more efficient on 32-bit processors.

Why? This is twice as many get_random_*() calls for 32-bit: it'll save
whatever bits it doesn't use. (Speaking to word-sized stores, yes, that
makes sense, but see below...)

> Second, avoid the need for a separate rand_bits counter.
> rand_bits is never more than 63, so there's always room in rand
> for a bit to mark the end of the available bits.  This makes the
> shared state atomically updatable, which makes it a lot easier
> to reason about race conditions.

What are the race conditions? I had to go look at I see that
add_to_free_area_random() is called under __free_one_page() which is
under &zone->lock. Would it make more sense to store the randomness
per-zone and entirely side-step the issues?

> Third, use READ_ONCE and WRITE_ONCE.  Without them, the compiler
> may spill to the shared static in arbitrarily perverse ways,
> and combined with the fact that the code eschews locking, that
> is a recipe for hard-to-find bugs.  Now, a race might cause a bit
> to be used twice, or get_random_long() to be called redundantly,
> but it can't summon nasal daemons.

All these things might make the results less predictable, too. :) But,
yes, if there was deterministic sharing of random values, that'd be
bad. But this patch doesn't really solve the "use the same random bits"
problem, which is the very thing that might get us into a predictable
state. If two zones both call READ_ONCE(), use the same value (eek),
and then both call WRITE_ONCE(), one of them wins the write (no big deal).

-- 
Kees Cook


  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-17 21:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-17 13:50 [PATCH] mm/shuffle.c: optimize add_to_free_area_random() George Spelvin
2020-03-17 21:44 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2020-03-17 23:06   ` George Spelvin
2020-03-17 23:38     ` Kees Cook
2020-03-18  1:44       ` [PATCH v2] mm/shuffle.c: Fix races in add_to_free_area_random() George Spelvin
2020-03-18  1:49         ` Randy Dunlap
2020-03-18  3:53         ` Dan Williams
2020-03-18  8:20           ` George Spelvin
2020-03-18 17:36             ` Dan Williams
2020-03-18 19:29               ` George Spelvin
2020-03-18 19:40                 ` Dan Williams
2020-03-18 21:02                   ` George Spelvin
2020-03-18  3:58         ` Kees Cook
2020-03-18 15:26         ` Alexander Duyck
2020-03-18 18:35           ` George Spelvin
2020-03-18 19:17             ` Alexander Duyck
2020-03-18 20:06               ` George Spelvin
2020-03-18 20:39         ` [PATCH v3] " George Spelvin
2020-03-18 21:34           ` Alexander Duyck
2020-03-18 22:49             ` George Spelvin
2020-03-18 22:57               ` Dan Williams
2020-03-18 23:18                 ` George Spelvin
2020-03-19 12:05           ` [PATCH v4] " George Spelvin
2020-03-19 17:49             ` Alexander Duyck
2020-03-20 17:58             ` Kees Cook

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