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From: Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>,
	Anna Schumaker <Anna.Schumaker@Netapp.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] MM: replace PF_LESS_THROTTLE with PF_LOCAL_THROTTLE
Date: Mon,  6 Apr 2020 11:58:56 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200406035856.13768-1-hdanton@sina.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200402042644.17028-1-hdanton@sina.com>


On Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:57:56 +1100 NeilBrown wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Apr 02 2020, Hillf Danton wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 02 Apr 2020 10:53:20 +1100 NeilBrown wrote:
> >>=20
> >> PF_LESS_THROTTLE exists for loop-back nfsd, and a similar need in the
> >> loop block driver, where a daemon needs to write to one bdi in
> >> order to free up writes queued to another bdi.
> >>=20
> >> The daemon sets PF_LESS_THROTTLE and gets a larger allowance of dirty
> >> pages, so that it can still dirty pages after other processses have been
> >> throttled.
> >>=20
> >> This approach was designed when all threads were blocked equally,
> >> independently on which device they were writing to, or how fast it was.
> >> Since that time the writeback algorithm has changed substantially with
> >> different threads getting different allowances based on non-trivial
> >> heuristics.  This means the simple "add 25%" heuristic is no longer
> >> reliable.
> >>=20
> >> This patch changes the heuristic to ignore the global limits and
> >> consider only the limit relevant to the bdi being written to.  This
> >> approach is already available for BDI_CAP_STRICTLIMIT users (fuse) and
> >> should not introduce surprises.  This has the desired result of
> >> protecting the task from the consequences of large amounts of dirty data
> >> queued for other devices.
> >>=20
> >> This approach of "only consider the target bdi" is consistent with the
> >> other use of PF_LESS_THROTTLE in current_may_throttle(), were it causes
> >> attention to be focussed only on the target bdi.
> >>=20
> >> So this patch
> >>  - renames PF_LESS_THROTTLE to PF_LOCAL_THROTTLE,
> >>  - remove the 25% bonus that that flag gives, and
> >>  - imposes 'strictlimit' handling for any process with PF_LOCAL_THROTTLE
> >>    set.
> >
> > 	/*
> > 	 * The strictlimit feature is a tool preventing mistrusted filesystems
> > 	 * from growing a large number of dirty pages before throttling. For
> >
> > Based on the comment snippet, I suspect it is applicable to IO flushers
> > unless they are likely generating tons of dirty pages. If they are,
> > however, cutting their bonuses seem questionable.
> 
> The purpose of the strictlimit feature was to isolate one filesystem
> (bdi) from all others, so that the one cannot create dirty pages which
> unfairly disadvantage the others - this is what that comment says.
> But the implementation appears to focus on the isolation, not the
> specific purpose, and isolation works both ways.  It protects the others
> from the one, and the one from the others.
> 
> fuse needs to be isolated so it doesn't harm others.
> nfsd and loop need to be isolate so they aren't harmed by others.

For those working in emergency services, extra N95 face masks and Covid-19
testing kits, say 25%, would be preserved, too, if isolation doesn't help
them.

> I'm less familiar with IO flushers but I suspect that have exactly the
> same need as nfsd and loop - they need to be isolated from dirty pages
> other than on the device they are writing to.
> The 25% bonus was never about giving them a bonus because they need it.
> It was about protecting them from excess usage elsewhere.

For example,

> I strongly
> suspect that my change will provide a conceptually better service for IO
> flushers. (whether it is better in a practical measurable sense I cannot
> say, but I'd be surprised if it was worse).



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-04-06  3:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-26  3:25 [PATCH/RFC] MM: fix writeback for NFS NeilBrown
2020-04-01 23:52 ` Writeback fixes " NeilBrown
2020-04-01 23:53   ` [PATCH 1/2] MM: replace PF_LESS_THROTTLE with PF_LOCAL_THROTTLE NeilBrown
2020-04-01 23:54     ` [PATCH 2/2] Deprecate NR_UNSTABLE_NFS, use NR_WRITEBACK NeilBrown
2020-04-02 15:10       ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-04-02 22:35         ` [PATCH 2/2 - v2] MM: Discard NR_UNSTABLE_NFS, use NR_WRITEBACK instead NeilBrown
2020-04-03  9:42           ` Jan Kara
2020-04-03 11:03             ` Michal Hocko
2020-04-06  0:14               ` NeilBrown
2020-04-06  7:41                 ` Michal Hocko
2020-04-06 23:28             ` NeilBrown
2020-04-07  7:33               ` Michal Hocko
2020-04-02 19:55       ` [PATCH 2/2] Deprecate NR_UNSTABLE_NFS, use NR_WRITEBACK Jan Kara
2020-04-02 16:35     ` [PATCH 1/2] MM: replace PF_LESS_THROTTLE with PF_LOCAL_THROTTLE Jan Kara
2020-04-03 15:15     ` Michal Hocko
2020-04-03 21:40       ` NeilBrown
2020-04-06  7:44         ` Michal Hocko
2020-04-06  9:36           ` Jan Kara
2020-04-06 10:57             ` Michal Hocko
2020-04-06 11:58             ` NeilBrown
2020-04-02  4:26   ` Hillf Danton
2020-04-02  4:57     ` NeilBrown
2020-04-06  3:58     ` Hillf Danton [this message]
2020-04-06 23:42   ` Writeback fixes for NFS - V2 NeilBrown
2020-04-06 23:43     ` [PATCH 1/2] MM: replace PF_LESS_THROTTLE with PF_LOCAL_THROTTLE NeilBrown
2020-04-07 16:10       ` Chuck Lever
2020-04-16  0:29     ` Writeback fixes for NFS - V3 NeilBrown
2020-04-16  0:30       ` [PATCH 1/2 V3] MM: replace PF_LESS_THROTTLE with PF_LOCAL_THROTTLE NeilBrown
2020-04-16  6:54         ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-04-16 15:19         ` Jan Kara
2020-04-21  2:22           ` NeilBrown
2020-04-22 12:46             ` Jan Kara
2020-05-13  7:16               ` NeilBrown
2020-05-13  7:17                 ` [PATCH 1/2 V4] " NeilBrown
2020-05-15 11:10                   ` Jan Kara
2020-06-01  0:46                     ` Writeback fixes for NFS NeilBrown
2020-06-01  0:48                       ` [PATCH 1/2] MM: replace PF_LESS_THROTTLE with PF_LOCAL_THROTTLE NeilBrown
2020-06-01  0:49                       ` [PATCH 2/2] MM: Discard NR_UNSTABLE_NFS, use NR_WRITEBACK instead NeilBrown
2020-05-13  7:18                 ` [PATCH 2/2 V4] " NeilBrown
2020-05-15  9:59                   ` Jan Kara
2020-04-16  0:31       ` [PATCH 2/2 V3] " NeilBrown
2020-04-16  6:56         ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-04-16 15:24         ` Jan Kara

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