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McKenney" To: Thomas Gleixner Cc: Peter Zijlstra , Michal Hocko , Uladzislau Rezki , LKML , RCU , linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton , Vlastimil Babka , Matthew Wilcox , "Theodore Y . Ts'o" , Joel Fernandes , Sebastian Andrzej Siewior , Oleksiy Avramchenko Subject: Re: [RFC-PATCH 1/2] mm: Add __GFP_NO_LOCKS flag Message-ID: <20200814204140.GT4295@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72> Reply-To: paulmck@kernel.org References: <20200813182618.GX2674@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20200813185257.GF4295@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72> <20200813220619.GA2674@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <875z9m3xo7.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> <20200814083037.GD3982@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20200814141425.GM4295@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72> <20200814161106.GA13853@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72> <20200814174924.GI3982@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20200814180224.GQ4295@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72> <875z9lkoo4.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <875z9lkoo4.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7262F62FF X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 100.00] X-Rspamd-Server: rspam02 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000004, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 09:33:47PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote: > On Fri, Aug 14 2020 at 11:02, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 07:49:24PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 09:11:06AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > >> > Just to make sure we are talking about the same thing, please see below > >> > for an untested patch that illustrates how I was interpreting your words. > >> > Was this what you had in mind? > >> > >> No, definitely not. > >> > >> Also, since we used to be able to use call_rcu() _everywhere_, including > >> under zone->lock, how's that working with you calling the > >> page-allocating from it? > > > > Indeed, that is exactly the problem we are trying to solve. > > Wait a moment. Why are we discussing RT induced raw non raw lock > ordering at all? Because we like to argue? (Sorry, couldn't resist.) > Whatever kernel you variant you look at this is not working: > > lock(zone) call_rcu() lock(zone) > > It's a simple recursive dead lock, nothing else. You are of course absolutely correct. > And that enforces the GFP_NOLOCK allocation mode or some other solution > unless you make a new rule that calling call_rcu() is forbidden while > holding zone lock or any other lock which might be nested inside the > GFP_NOWAIT zone::lock held region. Again, you are correct. Maybe the forecasted weekend heat will cause my brain to hallucinate a better solution, but in the meantime, the GFP_NOLOCK approach looks good from this end. Thanx, Paul