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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Kirill Tkhai <ktkhai@virtuozzo.com>,
	Kirill Shutemov <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leonro@nvidia.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] mm: Introduce mm_struct.has_pinned
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 10:35:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200924143517.GD79898@xz-x1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200923170759.GA9916@ziepe.ca>

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 02:07:59PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 08:27:35PM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 04:11:16PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 01:54:15PM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
> > > > diff --git a/mm/memory.c b/mm/memory.c
> > > > index 8f3521be80ca..6591f3f33299 100644
> > > > +++ b/mm/memory.c
> > > > @@ -888,8 +888,8 @@ copy_one_pte(struct mm_struct *dst_mm, struct mm_struct *src_mm,
> > > >                  * Because we'll need to release the locks before doing cow,
> > > >                  * pass this work to upper layer.
> > > >                  */
> > > > -               if (READ_ONCE(src_mm->has_pinned) && wp &&
> > > > -                   page_maybe_dma_pinned(page)) {
> > > > +               if (wp && page_maybe_dma_pinned(page) &&
> > > > +                   READ_ONCE(src_mm->has_pinned)) {
> > > >                         /* We've got the page already; we're safe */
> > > >                         data->cow_old_page = page;
> > > >                         data->cow_oldpte = *src_pte;
> > > > 
> > > > I can also add some more comment to emphasize this.
> > > 
> > > It is not just that, but the ptep_set_wrprotect() has to be done
> > > earlier.
> > 
> > Now I understand your point, I think..  So I guess it's not only about
> > has_pinned, but it should be a race between the fast-gup and the fork() code,
> > even if has_pinned is always set.
> 
> Yes
> 
> > > The best algorithm I've thought of is something like:
> > > 
> > >  pte_map_lock()
> > >   if (page) {
> > >       if (wp) {
> > > 	  ptep_set_wrprotect()
> > > 	  /* Order with try_grab_compound_head(), either we see
> > > 	   * page_maybe_dma_pinned(), or they see the wrprotect */
> > > 	  get_page();
> > 
> > Is this get_page() a must to be after ptep_set_wrprotect()
> > explicitly?  
> 
> No, just before page_maybe_dma_pinned()
> 
> > IIUC what we need is to order ptep_set_wrprotect() and
> > page_maybe_dma_pinned() here.  E.g., would a "mb()" work?
> 
> mb() is not needed because page_maybe_dma_pinned() has an atomic
> barrier too. I like to see get_page() followed immediately by
> page_maybe_dma_pinned() since they are accessing the same atomic and
> could be fused together someday

If so, I'd hope you won't disagree that I still move the get_page() out of the
"if (wp)".  Not only it's a shared operation no matter whether "if (wp)" or
not, but I'm afraid it would confuse future readers on a special ordering on
the get_page() and the wrprotect(), especially with the comment above.

> 
> > Another thing is, do we need similar thing for e.g. gup_pte_range(), so that
> > to guarantee ordering of try_grab_compound_head() and the pte change
> > check?
> 
> gup_pte_range() is as I quoted? The gup slow path ends up in
> follow_page_pte() which uses the pte lock so is OK.
> > 
> > Another question is, how about read fast-gup for pinning?  Because we can't use
> > the write-protect mechanism to block a read gup.  I remember we've discussed
> > similar things and iirc your point is "pinned pages should always be with
> > WRITE".  However now I still doubt it...  Because I feel like read gup is still
> > legal (as I mentioned previously - when device purely writes to the page and
> > the processor only reads from it).
> 
> We need a definition for what FOLL_PIN means. After this work on fork
> I propose that FOLL_PIN means:
> 
>   The page is in-use for DMA and the CPU PTE should not be changed
>   without explicit involvement of the application (eg via mmap/munmap)
> 
> If GUP encounters a read-only page during FOLL_PIN the behavior should
> depend on what the fault handler would do. If the fault handler would
> trigger COW and replace the PTE then it violates the above. GUP should
> do the COW before pinning.
> 
> If the fault handler would SIGSEGV then GUP can keep the read-only
> page and allow !FOLL_WRITE access. The PTE should not be replaced for
> other reasons (though I think there is work there too).
> 
> For COW related issues the idea is the mm_struct doing the pin will
> never trigger a COW. When other processes hit the COW they copy the
> page into their mm and don't touch the source MM's PTE.
> 
> Today we do this roughly with FOLL_FORCE and FOLL_WRITE in the users,
> but a more nuanced version and documentation would be much clearer.
> 
> Unfortunately just doing simple read GUP potentially exposes things to
> various COW related data corruption races.
> 
> This is a discussion beyond this series though..

Yes.  It's kind of related here on whether we can still use wrprotect() to
guard against fast-gup, though.  So my understanding is that we should still at
least need the other patch [1] that I proposed in the other thread to force
break-cow for read-only gups (that patch is not only for fast-gup, of course).

But I agree that should be another bigger topic.  I hope we don't need to pick
that patch up someday by another dma report on read-only pinned pages...

Regarding the solution here, I think we can also cover read-only fast-gup too
in the future - IIUC what we need to do is to make it pte_protnone() instead of
pte_wrprotect(), then in the fault handler we should identify this special
pte_protnone() against numa balancing (change_prot_numa()).  I think it should
work fine too, iiuc, because I don't think we should migrate a page at all if
it's pinned for any reason...

So I think I'll focus on the wrprotect() solution for now.  Thanks!

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20200915151746.GB2949@xz-x1/

-- 
Peter Xu



  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-24 14:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-21 21:17 [PATCH 0/5] mm: Break COW for pinned pages during fork() Peter Xu
2020-09-21 21:17 ` [PATCH 1/5] mm: Introduce mm_struct.has_pinned Peter Xu
2020-09-21 21:43   ` Jann Horn
2020-09-21 22:30     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-21 22:47       ` Jann Horn
2020-09-22 11:54         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-22 14:28           ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 15:56             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-22 16:25               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-21 23:53   ` John Hubbard
2020-09-22  0:01     ` John Hubbard
2020-09-22 15:17     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 16:10       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-22 17:54         ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 19:11           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-23  0:27             ` Peter Xu
2020-09-23 13:10               ` Peter Xu
2020-09-23 14:20                 ` Jan Kara
2020-09-23 17:12                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-24  7:44                     ` Jan Kara
2020-09-24 14:02                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-24 14:45                         ` Jan Kara
2020-09-23 17:07               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-24 14:35                 ` Peter Xu [this message]
2020-09-24 16:51                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-24 17:55                     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-24 18:15                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-24 18:34                         ` Peter Xu
2020-09-24 18:39                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-24 21:30                             ` Peter Xu
2020-09-25 19:56                               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-25 21:06                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-26  0:41                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-26  1:15                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-26 22:28                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-27  6:23                                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-09-27 18:16                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-27 18:45                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-28 12:49                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-28 16:17                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-28 17:22                                                   ` Peter Xu
2020-09-28 17:54                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-28 18:39                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-28 19:29                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-28 23:57                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-29  0:18                                                             ` John Hubbard
2020-09-28 19:36                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-28 19:50                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-28 22:51                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-29  0:30                                                               ` Peter Xu
2020-10-08  5:49                                                             ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-09-28 17:13                                             ` Peter Xu
2020-09-25 21:13                                 ` Peter Xu
2020-09-25 22:08                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-22 18:02       ` John Hubbard
2020-09-22 18:15         ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 19:11       ` John Hubbard
2020-09-27  0:41   ` [mm] 698ac7610f: will-it-scale.per_thread_ops 8.2% improvement kernel test robot
2020-09-21 21:17 ` [PATCH 2/5] mm/fork: Pass new vma pointer into copy_page_range() Peter Xu
2020-09-21 21:17 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm: Rework return value for copy_one_pte() Peter Xu
2020-09-22  7:11   ` John Hubbard
2020-09-22 15:29     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 10:08   ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-22 10:18     ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-22 15:36       ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 15:48         ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-22 16:03           ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 16:53             ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-22 18:13               ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 18:23                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-22 18:49                   ` Peter Xu
2020-09-23  6:52                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-23 17:16   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-23 21:24     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-21 21:20 ` [PATCH 4/5] mm: Do early cow for pinned pages during fork() for ptes Peter Xu
2020-09-21 21:55   ` Jann Horn
2020-09-21 22:18     ` John Hubbard
2020-09-21 22:27       ` Jann Horn
2020-09-22  0:08         ` John Hubbard
2020-09-21 22:27     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 11:48   ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-22 12:40     ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-22 15:58       ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 16:52         ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-22 18:34           ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 18:44             ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-23  1:03               ` Peter Xu
2020-09-23 20:25                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-24 15:08                   ` Peter Xu
2020-09-24 11:48   ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-09-24 15:16     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-21 21:20 ` [PATCH 5/5] mm/thp: Split huge pmds/puds if they're pinned when fork() Peter Xu
2020-09-22  6:41   ` John Hubbard
2020-09-22 10:33     ` Jan Kara
2020-09-22 20:01       ` John Hubbard
2020-09-23  9:22         ` Jan Kara
2020-09-23 13:50           ` Peter Xu
2020-09-23 14:01             ` Jan Kara
2020-09-23 15:44               ` Peter Xu
2020-09-23 20:19                 ` John Hubbard
2020-09-24 18:49                   ` Peter Xu
2020-09-23 16:06     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 12:05   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-23 15:24     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-23 16:07       ` Yang Shi
2020-09-24 15:47         ` Peter Xu
2020-09-24 17:29           ` Yang Shi
2020-09-23 17:17       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-23 10:21 ` [PATCH 0/5] mm: Break COW for pinned pages during fork() Leon Romanovsky
2020-09-23 15:37   ` Peter Xu

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