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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
To: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, RCU <rcu@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Theodore Y . Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Oleksiy Avramchenko <oleksiy.avramchenko@sonymobile.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC-PATCH 2/4] mm: Add __rcu_alloc_page_lockless() func.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 09:06:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201002080624.GB3227@techsingularity.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201001192626.GA29606@pc636>

On Thu, Oct 01, 2020 at 09:26:26PM +0200, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
> > 
> > No, I meant going back to idea of new gfp flag, but adjust the implementation in
> > the allocator (different from what you posted in previous version) so that it
> > only looks at the flag after it tries to allocate from pcplist and finds out
> > it's empty. So, no inventing of new page allocator entry points or checks such
> > as the one you wrote above, but adding the new gfp flag in a way that it doesn't
> > affect existing fast paths.
> >
> OK. Now i see. Please have a look below at the patch, so we fully understand
> each other. If that is something that is close to your view or not:
> 
> <snip>
> t a/include/linux/gfp.h b/include/linux/gfp.h
> index c603237e006c..7e613560a502 100644
> --- a/include/linux/gfp.h
> +++ b/include/linux/gfp.h
> @@ -39,8 +39,9 @@ struct vm_area_struct;
>  #define ___GFP_HARDWALL                0x100000u
>  #define ___GFP_THISNODE                0x200000u
>  #define ___GFP_ACCOUNT         0x400000u
> +#define ___GFP_NO_LOCKS                0x800000u
>  #ifdef CONFIG_LOCKDEP
> -#define ___GFP_NOLOCKDEP       0x800000u
> +#define ___GFP_NOLOCKDEP       0x1000000u
>  #else
>  #define ___GFP_NOLOCKDEP       0
>  #endif
> @@ -215,16 +216,22 @@ struct vm_area_struct;
>   * %__GFP_COMP address compound page metadata.
>   *
>   * %__GFP_ZERO returns a zeroed page on success.
> + *
> + * %__GFP_NO_LOCKS order-0 allocation without sleepable-locks.
> + * It obtains a page from the per-cpu-list and considered as
> + * lock-less. No other actions are performed, thus it returns
> + * NULL if per-cpu-list is empty.
>   */
>  #define __GFP_NOWARN   ((__force gfp_t)___GFP_NOWARN)
>  #define __GFP_COMP     ((__force gfp_t)___GFP_COMP)
>  #define __GFP_ZERO     ((__force gfp_t)___GFP_ZERO)
> +#define __GFP_NO_LOCKS ((__force gfp_t)___GFP_NO_LOCKS)
> 

I'm not a fan of the GFP flag approach simply because we've had cases
before where GFP flags were used in inappropriate contexts like
__GFP_MEMALLOC which led to a surprising amount of bugs, particularly
from out-of-tree drivers but also in-tree drivers. Of course, there
are limited GFP flags available too but at least the comment should
be as robust as possible. Maybe something like

 * %__GFP_NO_LOCKS attempts order-0 allocation without sleepable-locks. It
 * attempts to obtain a page without acquiring any spinlocks. This
 * should only be used in a context where the holder holds a
 * raw_spin_lock that cannot be released for the allocation request.
 * This may be necessary in PREEMPT_RT kernels where a
 * raw_spin_lock is held which does not sleep tries to acquire a
 * spin_lock that can sleep with PREEMPT_RT. This should not be
 * confused with GFP_ATOMIC contexts. Like atomic allocation
 * requests, there is no guarantee a page will be returned and
 * the caller must be able to deal with allocation failures.
 * The risk of allocation failure is higher than using GFP_ATOMIC.

It's verbose but it would be hard to misinterpret. I think we're
going to go through a period of time before people get familiar
with PREEMPT_RT-related hazards as various comments that were
true are going to be misleading for a while.

For anyone reviewing, any use of __GFP_NO_LOCKS should meet a high
standard where there is no alternative except to use the flags. i.e. a
higher standard "but I'm an important driver".

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-10-02  8:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-18 19:48 [PATCH 0/4] kvfree_rcu() and _LOCK_NESTING/_PREEMPT_RT Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-09-18 19:48 ` [PATCH 1/4] rcu/tree: Add a work to allocate pages from regular context Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-09-18 19:48 ` [RFC-PATCH 2/4] mm: Add __rcu_alloc_page_lockless() func Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-09-21  7:47   ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-21 15:45     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-21 16:03       ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-21 19:48         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-22  7:50           ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-22 13:12             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-22 15:35               ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-23 10:37               ` Mel Gorman
2020-09-23 15:41                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-23 23:22                   ` Mel Gorman
2020-09-24  8:16                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-24 11:16                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-24 15:16                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-24 11:19                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-24 15:21                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-25  8:15                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-25 10:25                             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-24 15:38                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-25  8:26                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-26 14:37                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-25  8:05                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-25 15:31                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-25 15:47                           ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29 16:25                             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-30  9:27                               ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-30 12:35                                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-30 12:44                                   ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-30 13:39                                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-30 16:46                                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-30 20:36                                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-30 15:25                             ` Joel Fernandes
2020-09-30 16:48                               ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-30 17:03                                 ` Joel Fernandes
2020-09-30 17:22                                   ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-30 17:48                                     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-09-25 16:17                           ` Mel Gorman
2020-09-25 17:57                             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-22 15:49             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-22  3:35         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-22  8:03           ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-22 15:46             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-23 11:27               ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-29 10:15   ` Vlastimil Babka
2020-09-29 22:07     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-30 10:35       ` Michal Hocko
2020-10-01 19:32         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-30 14:39       ` Vlastimil Babka
2020-09-30 15:37         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-01 19:26         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-10-02  7:11           ` Michal Hocko
2020-10-02  8:50             ` Mel Gorman
2020-10-02  9:05               ` Michal Hocko
2020-10-05 15:08                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-10-05 15:41                   ` Michal Hocko
2020-10-06 22:25                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-10-07 10:02                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-10-07 11:02                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-10-02  9:07               ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-02  9:45                 ` Mel Gorman
2020-10-02  9:58                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-02 10:19                     ` Mel Gorman
2020-10-02 14:41                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-06 10:03                         ` Mel Gorman
2020-10-06 15:41                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 13:58             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-10-02  8:06           ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2020-10-05 14:12             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-18 19:48 ` [PATCH 3/4] rcu/tree: use " Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-09-18 19:48 ` [PATCH 4/4] rcu/tree: Use schedule_delayed_work() instead of WQ_HIGHPRI queue Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-09-20 15:06   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-21 13:27     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-09-18 22:15 ` [PATCH 0/4] kvfree_rcu() and _LOCK_NESTING/_PREEMPT_RT Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-30 15:52 ` Joel Fernandes

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