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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Eugene Syromiatnikov <esyr@redhat.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	"H.J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	"Ravi V. Shankar" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
	Vedvyas Shanbhogue <vedvyas.shanbhogue@intel.com>,
	Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 03/14] x86/cet/ibt: Add IBT legacy code bitmap setup function
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 11:58:19 -0700
Message-ID: <352e6172-938d-f8e4-c195-9fd1b881bdee@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <34E0D316-552A-401C-ABAA-5584B5BC98C5@amacapital.net>

On 6/7/19 11:29 AM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
...
>> I think this new MSR probably needs to get included in oops output when
>> CET is enabled.
> 
> This shouldn’t be able to OOPS because it only happens at CPL 3,
> right?  We should put it into core dumps, though.

Good point.

Yu-cheng, can you just confirm that the bitmap can't be referenced in
ring-0, no matter what?  We should also make sure that no funny business
happens if we put an address in the bitmap that faults, or is
non-canonical.  Do we have any self-tests for that?

Let's say userspace gets a fault on this.  Do they have the
introspection capability to figure out why they faulted, say in their
signal handler?

>> Why don't we require that a VMA be in place for the entire bitmap?
>> Don't we need a "get" prctl function too in case something like a JIT is
>> running and needs to find the location of this bitmap to set bits itself?
>>
>> Or, do we just go whole-hog and have the kernel manage the bitmap
>> itself. Our interface here could be:
>>
>>    prctl(PR_MARK_CODE_AS_LEGACY, start, size);
>>
>> and then have the kernel allocate and set the bitmap for those code
>> locations.
> 
> Given that the format depends on the VA size, this might be a good
> idea.

Yeah, making userspace know how large the address space is or could be
is rather nasty, especially if we ever get any fancy CPU features that
eat up address bits (a la ARM top-byte-ignore or SPARC ADI).

> Hmm.  Can we be creative and skip populating it with zeros?  The CPU
should only ever touch a page if we miss an ENDBR on it, so, in normal
operation, we don’t need anything to be there.  We could try to prevent
anyone from *reading* it outside of ENDBR tracking if we want to avoid
people accidentally wasting lots of memory by forcing it to be fully
populated when the read it.

Won't reads on a big, contiguous private mapping get the huge zero page
anyway?

> The one downside is this forces it to be per-mm, but that seems like
> a generally reasonable model anyway.

Yeah, practically, you could only make it shared if you shared the
layout of all code in the address space.  I'm sure the big database(s)
do that cross-process, but I bet nobody else does.  User ASLR
practically guarantees that nobody can do this.

> This also gives us an excellent opportunity to make it read-only as
> seen from userspace to prevent exploits from just poking it full of
> ones before redirecting execution.

That would be fun.


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Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-06 20:09 [PATCH v7 00/14] Control-flow Enforcement: Branch Tracking, PTRACE Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 01/14] x86/cet/ibt: Add Kconfig option for user-mode Indirect Branch Tracking Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 02/14] x86/cet/ibt: User-mode indirect branch tracking support Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 03/14] x86/cet/ibt: Add IBT legacy code bitmap setup function Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07  8:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-07 16:23     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 16:35       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-07 16:39         ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-07 16:45         ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 17:05           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-07 17:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-07 17:59         ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-07 18:29           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-07 18:58             ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2019-06-07 19:56               ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 20:40               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-07 21:05                 ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-07 19:49             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 20:00               ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-07 20:06                 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 21:09                   ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-07 22:27                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-10 16:03                       ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-10 16:05                     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-10 17:28                       ` Florian Weimer
2019-06-10 17:59                       ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-07 20:43               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-10 15:22                 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-10 18:02                   ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-10 19:38                     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-10 19:52                       ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-10 19:55                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-10 20:27                         ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-10 20:43                           ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-10 20:58                             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-10 22:02                               ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-10 22:40                                 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-10 22:59                                   ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-10 23:20                                     ` H.J. Lu
2019-06-10 23:37                                       ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-10 23:54                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-11  0:08                                       ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-11  0:36                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-14 15:25                                     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-14 16:13                                       ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-14 17:13                                         ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-14 20:57                                           ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-14 21:34                                             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-14 22:06                                               ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-15 15:30                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-11  7:24                                 ` Florian Weimer
2019-06-08 20:52           ` Pavel Machek
2019-06-10 15:47             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-11 10:33               ` Pavel Machek
2019-06-07 19:03   ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-07 19:23     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 04/14] x86/cet/ibt: Handle signals for IBT Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 05/14] mm/mmap: Add IBT bitmap size to address space limit check Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 06/14] x86/cet/ibt: ELF header parsing for IBT Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 07/14] x86/cet/ibt: Add arch_prctl functions " Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07  8:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 08/14] x86/cet/ibt: Add ENDBR to op-code-map Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 09/14] x86/vdso: Insert endbr32/endbr64 to vDSO Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:26   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 10/14] x86/vdso/32: Add ENDBR32 to __kernel_vsyscall entry point Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:25   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 11/14] x86/vsyscall/64: Add ENDBR64 to vsyscall entry points Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:28   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 12/14] x86/vsyscall/64: Fixup shadow stack and branch tracking for vsyscall Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:27   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 13/14] x86/cet: Add PTRACE interface for CET Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 14/14] x86: Discard .note.gnu.property sections Yu-cheng Yu

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