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From: Vinayak Menon <vinmenon@codeaurora.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dan.j.williams@intel.com, mgorman@suse.de, vbabka@suse.cz,
	kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	hughd@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: make fault_around_bytes configurable
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 14:15:08 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5719E494.20302@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160421170150.b492ffe35d073270b53f0e4d@linux-foundation.org>

On 04/22/2016 05:31 AM, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 20:47:16 +0530 Vinayak Menon <vinmenon@codeaurora.org> wrote:
>
>> Mapping pages around fault is found to cause performance degradation
>> in certain use cases. The test performed here is launch of 10 apps
>> one by one, doing something with the app each time, and then repeating
>> the same sequence once more, on an ARM 64-bit Android device with 2GB
>> of RAM. The time taken to launch the apps is found to be better when
>> fault around feature is disabled by setting fault_around_bytes to page
>> size (4096 in this case).
>
> Well that's one workload, and a somewhat strange one.  What is the
> effect on other workloads (of which there are a lot!).
>
This workload emulates the way a user would use his mobile device, 
opening an application, using it for some time, switching to next, and 
then coming back to the same application later. Another stat which shows 
significant degradation on Android with fault_around is device boot up 
time. I have not tried any other workload other than these.

>> The tests were done on 3.18 kernel. 4 extra vmstat counters were added
>> for debugging. pgpgoutclean accounts the clean pages reclaimed via
>> __delete_from_page_cache. pageref_activate, pageref_activate_vm_exec,
>> and pageref_keep accounts the mapped file pages activated and retained
>> by page_check_references.
>>
>> === Without swap ===
>>                            3.18             3.18-fault_around_bytes=4096
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> workingset_refault        691100           664339
>> workingset_activate       210379           179139
>> pgpgin                    4676096          4492780
>> pgpgout                   163967           96711
>> pgpgoutclean              1090664          990659
>> pgalloc_dma               3463111          3328299
>> pgfree                    3502365          3363866
>> pgactivate                568134           238570
>> pgdeactivate              752260           392138
>> pageref_activate          315078           121705
>> pageref_activate_vm_exec  162940           55815
>> pageref_keep              141354           51011
>> pgmajfault                24863            23633
>> pgrefill_dma              1116370          544042
>> pgscan_kswapd_dma         1735186          1234622
>> pgsteal_kswapd_dma        1121769          1005725
>> pgscan_direct_dma         12966            1090
>> pgsteal_direct_dma        6209             967
>> slabs_scanned             1539849          977351
>> pageoutrun                1260             1333
>> allocstall                47               7
>>
>> === With swap ===
>>                            3.18             3.18-fault_around_bytes=4096
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> workingset_refault        597687           878109
>> workingset_activate       167169           254037
>> pgpgin                    4035424          5157348
>> pgpgout                   162151           85231
>> pgpgoutclean              928587           1225029
>> pswpin                    46033            17100
>> pswpout                   237952           127686
>> pgalloc_dma               3305034          3542614
>> pgfree                    3354989          3592132
>> pgactivate                626468           355275
>> pgdeactivate              990205           771902
>> pageref_activate          294780           157106
>> pageref_activate_vm_exec  141722           63469
>> pageref_keep              121931           63028
>> pgmajfault                67818            45643
>> pgrefill_dma              1324023          977192
>> pgscan_kswapd_dma         1825267          1720322
>> pgsteal_kswapd_dma        1181882          1365500
>> pgscan_direct_dma         41957            9622
>> pgsteal_direct_dma        25136            6759
>> slabs_scanned             689575           542705
>> pageoutrun                1234             1538
>> allocstall                110              26
>>
>> Looks like with fault_around, there is more pressure on reclaim because
>> of the presence of more mapped pages, resulting in more IO activity,
>> more faults, more swapping, and allocstalls.
>
> A few of those things did get a bit worse?
I think some numbers (like workingset, pgpgin, pgpgoutclean etc) looks 
better with fault_around because, increased number of mapped pages is 
resulting in less number of file pages being reclaimed 
(pageref_activate, pageref_activate_vm_exec, pageref_keep above), but 
increased swapping. Latency numbers are far bad with fault_around_bytes 
+ swap, possibly because of increased swapping, decrease in kswapd 
efficiency and increase in allocstalls.
So the problem looks to be that unwanted pages are mapped around the 
fault and page_check_references is unaware of this.

>
> Do you have any data on actual wall-time changes?  How much faster do
> things become with the patch?  If it is "0.1%" then I'd say "umm, no".
>
=== Without swap ====
                           3.18         3.18-fault_around_bytes=4096
Avg launch latency        1695ms       1300ms (23.3%)
Max launch latency        5097ms       3135ms (38.49%)


>> Make fault_around_bytes configurable so that it can be tuned to avoid
>> performance degradation.
>
> It sounds like we need to be smarter about auto-tuning this thing.
> Maybe the refault code could be taught to provide the feedback path but
> that sounds hard.
>
> Still.  I do think it would be better to make this configurable at
> runtime.  Move the existing debugfs tunable into /proc/sys/vm (and
> document it!).  I do dislkie adding even more tunables but this one
> does make sense.  People will want to run their workloads with various
> values until they find the peak throughput, and requiring a kernel
> rebuild for that is a huge pain.
>
I can send a v2 to do this runtime via /proc/sys/vm.

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-22  8:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-18 15:17 [PATCH] mm: make fault_around_bytes configurable Vinayak Menon
2016-04-22  0:01 ` Andrew Morton
2016-04-22  8:45   ` Vinayak Menon [this message]
2016-04-22  9:44     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-04-22 15:09       ` Minchan Kim
2016-04-22 15:16         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-04-25 11:51       ` Vinayak Menon
2016-05-09  7:32         ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-10  2:48           ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-16 14:18             ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-16 14:29               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-05-16 14:56                 ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-17 12:34                   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-04-22 14:02     ` Minchan Kim
2016-04-22 14:11       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-04-22 14:17         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-04-22 14:50           ` Minchan Kim

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