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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 x-cbid: 20012917-0020-0000-0000-000003A523F0 X-IBM-AV-DETECTION: SAVI=unused REMOTE=unused XFE=unused x-cbparentid: 20012917-0021-0000-0000-000021FCD55D Message-Id: <6844ea47-8e0e-4fb7-d86f-68046995a749@de.ibm.com> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.138,18.0.572 definitions=2020-01-29_04:2020-01-28,2020-01-29 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 clxscore=1015 priorityscore=1501 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 impostorscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=695 lowpriorityscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-1911200001 definitions=main-2001290139 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On 29.01.20 17:43, Christopher Lameter wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jan 2020, Kees Cook wrote: > >>> On the other hand not marking the DMA caches still seems questionable. >> >> My understanding is that exposing DMA memory to userspace copies can >> lead to unexpected results, especially for misbehaving hardware, so I'm >> not convinced this is a generically bad hardening choice. > > "DMA" memory (and thus DMA caches) have nothing to do with DMA. Its a > legacy term. "DMA Memory" is memory limited to a certain > physical address boundary (old restrictions on certain devices only > supporting a limited number of address bits). > > DMA can be done to NORMAL memory as well. Exactly. I think iucv uses GFP_DMA because z/VM needs those buffers to reside below 2GB (which is ZONA_DMA for s390).