From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
"Dr . David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
Bobby Powers <bobbypowers@gmail.com>,
Maya Gokhale <gokhale2@llnl.gov>,
Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>,
Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Marty McFadden <mcfadden8@llnl.gov>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
Brian Geffon <bgeffon@google.com>,
Denis Plotnikov <dplotnikov@virtuozzo.com>,
Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@virtuozzo.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND v6 00/16] mm: Page fault enhancements
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:12:34 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6d8ed084-0740-cee1-663e-a78a2faee432@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200307214743.GA4206@xz-x1>
[...]
> Yes, IIUC the race can happen like this in your below test:
>
> main thread uffd thread disgard thread
> =========== =========== ==============
> access page
> uffd page fault
> wait for page
> UFFDIO_ZEROCOPY
> put a page P there
> MADV_DONTNEED on P
> wakeup main thread
> return from fault
> page still missing
> uffd page fault again
> (without ALLOW_RETRY)
> --> SIGBUS.
Exactly!
>> Can we please have a way to identify that this "feature" is available?
>> I'd appreciate a new read-only UFFD_FEAT_ , so we can detect this from
>> user space easily and use concurrent discards without crashing our applications.
>
> I'm not sure how others think about it, but to me this still fells
> into the bucket of "solving an existing problem" rather than a
> feature. Also note that this should change the behavior for the page
> fault logic in general, rather than an uffd-only change. So I'm also
> not sure whether UFFD_FEAT_* suites here even if we want it.
So, are we planning on backporting this to stable kernels?
Imagine using this in QEMU/KVM to allow discards (e.g., balloon
inflation) while postcopy is active . You certainly don't want random
guest crashes. So either, we treat this as a fix (and backport) or as a
change in behavior/feature.
[...]
>>
>> 2. What will happen if I don't place a page on a pagefault, but only do a UFFDIO_WAKE?
>> For now we were able to trigger a signal this way.
>
> If I'm not mistaken the UFFDIO_WAKE will directly trigger the sigbus
> even without the help of the MADV_DONTNEED race.
Yes, that's the current way of injecting a SIGBUS instead of resolving
the pagefault. And AFAIKs, you're changing that behavior. (I am not
aware of a user, there could be use cases, but somehow it's strange to
get a signal when accessing memory that is mapped READ|WRITE and also
represented like this in e.g., /proc/$PID/maps). So IMHO, only the new
behavior makes really sense.
>
>> If the behavior is changed, can
>> we make this configurable via a UFFD_FEAT?
>
> I'll still think that could be an overkill, but I'll leave the
> discussion to the experts.
I'll be happy to hear what Andrea Et al. think. At least I really want
to see the new behavior - and if it's not a fix, then I want some way to
detect if a kernel has this new (fixed?) behavior.
Thanks a lot for this work!
--
Thanks,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-03-08 12:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-02-20 15:53 [PATCH RESEND v6 00/16] mm: Page fault enhancements Peter Xu
2020-02-20 15:53 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 01/16] mm/gup: Rename "nonblocking" to "locked" where proper Peter Xu
2020-02-20 15:53 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 02/16] mm/gup: Fix __get_user_pages() on fault retry of hugetlb Peter Xu
2020-03-02 19:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-02 20:07 ` Peter Xu
2020-03-02 20:22 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-20 15:53 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 03/16] mm: Introduce fault_signal_pending() Peter Xu
2020-03-02 19:04 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-20 15:53 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 04/16] x86/mm: Use helper fault_signal_pending() Peter Xu
2020-02-20 15:58 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 05/16] arc/mm: " Peter Xu
2020-02-20 15:59 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 06/16] arm64/mm: " Peter Xu
2020-02-20 16:02 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 07/16] powerpc/mm: " Peter Xu
2020-02-20 16:02 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 08/16] sh/mm: " Peter Xu
2020-02-20 16:02 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 09/16] mm: Return faster for non-fatal signals in user mode faults Peter Xu
2020-02-20 16:02 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 10/16] userfaultfd: Don't retake mmap_sem to emulate NOPAGE Peter Xu
2020-02-20 16:02 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 11/16] mm: Introduce FAULT_FLAG_DEFAULT Peter Xu
2020-02-20 16:02 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 13/16] mm: Allow VM_FAULT_RETRY for multiple times Peter Xu
2020-02-20 16:02 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 15/16] mm/gup: Allow to react to fatal signals Peter Xu
2020-02-20 16:03 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 16/16] mm/userfaultfd: Honor FAULT_FLAG_KILLABLE in fault path Peter Xu
2020-02-20 19:53 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 12/16] mm: Introduce FAULT_FLAG_INTERRUPTIBLE Peter Xu
2020-02-20 19:53 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 14/16] mm/gup: Allow VM_FAULT_RETRY for multiple times Peter Xu
2020-02-21 19:26 ` [PATCH RESEND v6 00/16] mm: Page fault enhancements Brian Geffon
2020-03-02 17:31 ` Peter Xu
2020-02-21 19:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-02-21 20:11 ` Peter Xu
2020-03-07 20:33 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-07 21:47 ` Peter Xu
2020-03-08 12:12 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2020-03-09 19:51 ` Peter Xu
2020-03-09 20:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-08 12:49 ` David Hildenbrand
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