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Exactly! >> Can we please have a way to identify that this "feature" is available? >> I'd appreciate a new read-only UFFD_FEAT_ , so we can detect this from >> user space easily and use concurrent discards without crashing our app= lications. >=20 > I'm not sure how others think about it, but to me this still fells > into the bucket of "solving an existing problem" rather than a > feature. Also note that this should change the behavior for the page > fault logic in general, rather than an uffd-only change. So I'm also > not sure whether UFFD_FEAT_* suites here even if we want it. So, are we planning on backporting this to stable kernels? Imagine using this in QEMU/KVM to allow discards (e.g., balloon inflation) while postcopy is active . You certainly don't want random guest crashes. So either, we treat this as a fix (and backport) or as a change in behavior/feature. [...] >> >> 2. What will happen if I don't place a page on a pagefault, but only d= o a UFFDIO_WAKE? >> For now we were able to trigger a signal this way. >=20 > If I'm not mistaken the UFFDIO_WAKE will directly trigger the sigbus > even without the help of the MADV_DONTNEED race. Yes, that's the current way of injecting a SIGBUS instead of resolving the pagefault. And AFAIKs, you're changing that behavior. (I am not aware of a user, there could be use cases, but somehow it's strange to get a signal when accessing memory that is mapped READ|WRITE and also represented like this in e.g., /proc/$PID/maps). So IMHO, only the new behavior makes really sense. >=20 >> If the behavior is changed, can >> we make this configurable via a UFFD_FEAT? >=20 > I'll still think that could be an overkill, but I'll leave the > discussion to the experts. I'll be happy to hear what Andrea Et al. think. At least I really want to see the new behavior - and if it's not a fix, then I want some way to detect if a kernel has this new (fixed?) behavior. Thanks a lot for this work! --=20 Thanks, David / dhildenb