Re: Let's talk about the elephant in the room - the Linux kernel's inability to gracefully handle low memory pressure

From: "Artem S. Tashkinov" <aros@gmx.com>
To: Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: Let's talk about the elephant in the room - the Linux kernel's inability to gracefully handle low memory pressure
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 12:01:43 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <91360b32-f20a-9f2a-838f-bd00e991db40@gmx.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190805090514.5992-1-hdanton@sina.com>

On 8/5/19 9:05 AM, Hillf Danton wrote:
>
> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 09:23:17 +0000 "Artem S. Tashkinov" <aros@gmx.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> There's this bug which has been bugging many people for many years
>> already and which is reproducible in less than a few minutes under the
>> latest and greatest kernel, 5.2.6. All the kernel parameters are set to
>> defaults.
>
> Thanks for report!
>>
>> Steps to reproduce:
>>
>> 1) Boot with mem=4G
>> 2) Disable swap to make everything faster (sudo swapoff -a)
>> 3) Launch a web browser, e.g. Chrome/Chromium or/and Firefox
>> 4) Start opening tabs in either of them and watch your free RAM decrease
>
> We saw another corner-case cpu hog report under memory pressure also
> with swap disabled. In that report the xfs filesystem was an factor
> with CONFIG_MEMCG enabled. Anything special, say like
>
>   kernel:watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#7 stuck for 22s! [leaker1:7193]
> or
>   [ 3225.313209] Xorg: page allocation failure: order:4, mode:0x40dc0(GFP_KERNEL|__GFP_COMP|__GFP_ZERO), nodemask=(null),cpuset=/,mems_allowed=0
>
> in your kernel log?

I'm running ext4 only without LVM, encryption or anything like that.
Plain GPT/MBR partitions with plenty of free space and no disk errors.

>>
>> Once you hit a situation when opening a new tab requires more RAM than
>> is currently available, the system will stall hard. You will barely  be
>> able to move the mouse pointer. Your disk LED will be flashing
>> incessantly (I'm not entirely sure why). You will not be able to run new
>> applications or close currently running ones.
>
> A cpu hog may come on top of memory hog in some scenario.

It might have happened as well - I couldn't know since I wasn't able to
open a terminal. Once the system recovered there was no trace of
anything extraordinary.

>>
>> This little crisis may continue for minutes or even longer. I think
>> that's not how the system should behave in this situation. I believe
>> something must be done about that to avoid this stall.
>
> Yes, Sir.
>>
>> I'm almost sure some sysctl parameters could be changed to avoid this
>> situation but something tells me this could be done for everyone and
>> made default because some non tech-savvy users will just give up on
>> Linux if they ever get in a situation like this and they won't be keen
>> or even be able to Google for solutions.
>
> I am not willing to repeat that it is hard to produce a pill for all
> patients, but the info you post will help solve the crisis sooner.
>
> Hillf
>

In case you have troubles reproducing this bug report I can publish a VM
image - still everything is quite mundane: Fedora 30 + XFCE + web
browser. Nothing else, nothing fancy.

Regards,
Artem