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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
Cc: "Liang, Kan" <kan.liang@intel.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] sched/wait: Break up long wake list walk
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:29:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFwQrBa+fzsfmvo5LsNBtja18QCwrEqYtRirH-m4OSd_Uw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170818200510.GQ28715@tassilo.jf.intel.com>

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com> wrote:
>
> I think what's happening is that it allows more parallelism during wakeup:
>
> Normally it's like
>
> CPU 1                           CPU 2               CPU 3                    .....
>
> LOCK
> wake up tasks on other CPUs    woken up             woken up
> UNLOCK                         SPIN on waitq lock   SPIN on waitq lock

Hmm. The processes that are woken up shouldn't need to touch the waitq
lock after wakeup. The default "autoremove_wake_function()" does the
wait list removal, so if you just use the normal wait/wakeup, you're
all done an don't need to do anythig more.

That's very much by design.

In fact, it's why "finish_wait()" uses that "list_empty_careful()"
thing on the entry - exactly so that it only needs to take the wait
queue lock if it is still on the wait list (ie it was woken up by
something else).

Now, it *is* racy, in the sense that the autoremove_wake_function()
will remove the entry *after* having successfully woken up the
process, so with bad luck and a quick wakeup, the woken process may
not see the good list_empty_careful() case.

So we really *should* do the remove earlier inside the pi_lock region
in ttwu(). We don't have that kind of interface, though. If you
actually do see tasks getting stuck on the waitqueue lock after being
woken up, it might be worth looking at, though.

The other possibility is that you were looking at cases that didn't
use "autoremove_wake_function()" at all, of course. Maybe they are
worth fixing. The autoremval really does make a difference, exactly
because of the issue you point to.

                       Linus

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-18 20:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-15  0:52 [PATCH 1/2] sched/wait: Break up long wake list walk Tim Chen
2017-08-15  0:52 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/wait: Introduce lock breaker in wake_up_page_bit Tim Chen
2017-08-15  1:48 ` [PATCH 1/2] sched/wait: Break up long wake list walk Linus Torvalds
2017-08-15  2:27   ` Andi Kleen
2017-08-15  2:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-15  3:15       ` Andi Kleen
2017-08-15  3:28         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-15 19:05           ` Tim Chen
2017-08-15 19:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-15 19:47               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-15 22:47           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-08-15 22:56             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-15 22:57               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-15 23:50                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-16 23:22                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-17 16:17   ` Liang, Kan
2017-08-17 16:25     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-17 20:18       ` Liang, Kan
2017-08-17 20:44         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-18 12:23           ` Mel Gorman
2017-08-18 14:20             ` Liang, Kan
2017-08-18 14:46               ` Mel Gorman
2017-08-18 16:36                 ` Tim Chen
2017-08-18 16:45                   ` Andi Kleen
2017-08-18 16:53                 ` Liang, Kan
2017-08-18 17:48                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-18 18:54                     ` Mel Gorman
2017-08-18 19:14                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-18 19:58                         ` Andi Kleen
2017-08-18 20:10                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-21 18:32                         ` Mel Gorman
2017-08-21 18:56                           ` Liang, Kan
2017-08-22 17:23                             ` Liang, Kan
2017-08-22 18:19                               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-22 18:25                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-22 18:56                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-22 19:15                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-22 19:08                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-22 19:30                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-22 19:37                                     ` Andi Kleen
2017-08-22 21:08                                       ` Christopher Lameter
2017-08-22 21:24                                         ` Andi Kleen
2017-08-22 22:52                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-22 23:19                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-23 14:51                                             ` Liang, Kan
2017-08-22 19:55                                 ` Liang, Kan
2017-08-22 20:42                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-22 20:53                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-22 20:58                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-23 14:49                                     ` Liang, Kan
2017-08-23 15:58                                       ` Tim Chen
2017-08-23 18:17                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-23 20:55                                           ` Liang, Kan
2017-08-23 23:30                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-24 17:49                                             ` Tim Chen
2017-08-24 18:16                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-24 20:44                                                 ` Mel Gorman
2017-08-25 16:44                                                   ` Tim Chen
2017-08-23 16:04                                 ` Mel Gorman
2017-08-18 20:05                     ` Andi Kleen
2017-08-18 20:29                       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2017-08-18 20:29                     ` Liang, Kan
2017-08-18 20:34                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-18 16:55             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-18 13:06           ` Liang, Kan

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