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From: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
To: Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 04/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: groundwork
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 17:37:01 +1300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGsJ_4waTOj=zzC+gZAVMW5SQ_b9UWcXjKv3oj57s-YysTQmPw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOUHufau34de-FmdBxNHpWWUUuN4DxT1fci9aX8Uc+RAfVXwXw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 3:47 PM Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 4:29 AM Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> > > I guess the main cause of the regression for the previous sequence
> > > with 16 entries is that the ebizzy has a new allocated copy in
> > > search_mem(), which is mapped and used only once in each loop.
> > > and the temp copy can push out those hot chunks.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I understand it is a trade-off between warmly embracing new
> > > pages and holding old pages tightly. Real user cases from phone, server,
> > > desktop will be judging this better.
>
> Thanks for all the details. I looked into them today and found no
> regressions when running with your original program.
>
> After I explain why, I hope you'd be convinced that using programs
> like this one is not a good way to measure things :)
>

Yep. I agree ebizzy might not be a good one to measure things.
I chose it only because Kim's patchset which moved anon pages
to inactive at the first detected access  was using it. Before kim's
patchset, anon pages were placed in the active list from the first
beginning:
https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-mm/cover/1581401993-20041-1-git-send-email-iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com/

in ebizzy, there is a used-once allocated memory in each
search_mem(). I guess that is why Kim's patchset chose
it.

> Problems:
> 1) Given the 2.5GB configuration and a sequence of cold/hot chunks, I
> assume your program tries to simulate a handful of apps running on a
> phone.  A short repeating sequence is closer to sequential access than
> to real user behaviors, as I suggested last time. You could check out
> how something similar is done here [1].
> 2) Under the same assumption (phone), C programs are very different
> from Android apps in terms of runtime memory behaviors, e.g., JVM GC
> [2].
> 3) Assuming you are interested in the runtime memory behavior of C/C++
> programs, your program is still not very representative. All C/C++
> programs I'm familiar with choose to link against TCmalloc, jemalloc
> or implement their own allocators. GNU libc, IMO, has a small market
> share nowadays.
> 4) TCmalloc/jemalloc are not only optimized for multithreading, they
> are also THP aware. THP is very important when benchmarking page
> reclaim, e.g., two similarly warm THPs can comprise 511+1 or 1+511 of
> warm+cold 4K pages. The LRU algorithm that chooses more of the former
> is at the disadvantage. Unless it's recommended by the applications
> you are trying to benchmark, THP should be disabled. (Android
> generally doesn't use THP.)
> 5) Swap devices are also important. Zram should NOT be used unless you
> know your benchmark doesn't generate incompressible data. The LRU
> algorithm that chooses more incompressible pages is at disadvantage.
>

Thanks for all the information above. very useful.

> Here is my result: on the same Snapdragon 7c + 2.5GB RAM + 1.5GB
> ramdisk swap, with your original program compiled against libc malloc
> and TCMalloc, to 32-bit and 64-bit binaries:

I noticed an important difference is that you are using ramdisk, so there
is no cost on "i/o". I assume compression/decompression is the i/o cost to
zRAM.

>
> # cat /sys/kernel/mm/lru_gen/enabled
> 0x0003
> # cat /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled
> always madvise [never]
>
> # modprobe brd rd_nr=1 rd_size=1572864
> # if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ram0 bs=1M
> # mkswap /dev/ram0
> # swapoff -a
> # swapon /dev/ram0
>
> # ldd test_absl_32
>         linux-vdso.so.1 (0xf6e7f000)
>         libabsl_malloc.so.2103.0.1 =>
> /usr/lib/libabsl_malloc.so.2103.0.1 (0xf6e23000)
>         libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0xf6dff000)
>         libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xf6d07000)
>         /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3 (0x09df0000)
>         libabsl_base.so.2103.0.1 => /usr/lib/libabsl_base.so.2103.0.1
> (0xf6ce5000)
>         libabsl_raw_logging.so.2103.0.1 =>
> /usr/lib/libabsl_raw_logging.so.2103.0.1 (0xf6cc4000)
>         libabsl_spinlock_wait.so.2103.0.1 =>
> /usr/lib/libabsl_spinlock_wait.so.2103.0.1 (0xf6ca3000)
>         libc++.so.1 => /usr/lib/libc++.so.1 (0xf6c04000)
>         libc++abi.so.1 => /usr/lib/libc++abi.so.1 (0xf6bcd000)
> # file test_absl_64
> test_absl_64: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, ARM aarch64, version 1
> (SYSV), statically linked
> # ldd test_gnu_32
>         linux-vdso.so.1 (0xeabef000)
>         libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0xeab92000)
>         libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xeaa9a000)
>         /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3 (0x05690000)
> # file test_gnu_64
> test_gnu_64: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, ARM aarch64, version 1 (SYSV),
> statically linked
>
> ### baseline 5.17-rc8
>
> # perf record ./test_gnu_64 -t 4 -s $((200*1024*1024)) -S 6000000
> 10 records/s
> real 59.00 s
> user 39.83 s
> sys  174.18 s
>
>     18.51%  [.] memcpy
>     15.98%  [k] __pi_clear_page
>      5.59%  [k] rmqueue_pcplist
>      5.19%  [k] do_raw_spin_lock
>      5.09%  [k] memmove
>      4.60%  [k] _raw_spin_unlock_irq
>      3.62%  [k] _raw_spin_unlock_irqrestore
>      3.61%  [k] free_unref_page_list
>      3.29%  [k] zap_pte_range
>      2.53%  [k] local_daif_restore
>      2.50%  [k] down_read_trylock
>      1.41%  [k] handle_mm_fault
>      1.32%  [k] do_anonymous_page
>      1.31%  [k] up_read
>      1.03%  [k] free_swap_cache
>
> ### MGLRU v9
>
> # perf record ./test_gnu_64 -t 4 -s $((200*1024*1024)) -S 6000000
> 11 records/s
> real 57.00 s
> user 39.39 s
>
>     19.36%  [.] memcpy
>     16.50%  [k] __pi_clear_page
>      6.21%  [k] memmove
>      5.57%  [k] rmqueue_pcplist
>      5.07%  [k] do_raw_spin_lock
>      4.96%  [k] _raw_spin_unlock_irqrestore
>      4.25%  [k] free_unref_page_list
>      3.80%  [k] zap_pte_range
>      3.69%  [k] _raw_spin_unlock_irq
>      2.71%  [k] local_daif_restore
>      2.10%  [k] down_read_trylock
>      1.50%  [k] handle_mm_fault
>      1.29%  [k] do_anonymous_page
>      1.17%  [k] free_swap_cache
>      1.08%  [k] up_read
>

I think your result is right. but if you take a look at the number of
major faults, will you find mglru have more page faults?
i ask this question because i can see mglru even wins with lower
hit ratio in the previous report I sent.

> [1] https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/tast-tests/+/refs/heads/main/src/chromiumos/tast/local/memory/mempressure/mempressure.go
> [2] https://developer.android.com/topic/performance/memory-overview

Thanks
Barry


  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-16  4:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-08  8:18 [PATCH v7 00/12] Multigenerational LRU Framework Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 01/12] mm: x86, arm64: add arch_has_hw_pte_young() Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:24   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 10:33   ` Will Deacon
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 02/12] mm: x86: add CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_NONLEAF_PMD_YOUNG Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:27   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 03/12] mm/vmscan.c: refactor shrink_node() Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 04/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: groundwork Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:28   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-10 20:41   ` Johannes Weiner
2022-02-15  9:43     ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-15 21:53       ` Johannes Weiner
2022-02-21  8:14         ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-23 21:18           ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-25 16:34             ` Minchan Kim
2022-03-03 15:29           ` Johannes Weiner
2022-03-03 19:26             ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-03 21:43               ` Johannes Weiner
2022-03-11 10:16       ` Barry Song
2022-03-11 23:45         ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-12 10:37           ` Barry Song
2022-03-12 21:11             ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-13  4:57               ` Barry Song
2022-03-14 11:11                 ` Barry Song
2022-03-14 16:45                   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-14 23:38                     ` Barry Song
     [not found]                       ` <CAOUHufa9eY44QadfGTzsxa2=hEvqwahXd7Canck5Gt-N6c4UKA@mail.gmail.com>
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2022-03-15 10:29                           ` Barry Song
2022-03-16  2:46                             ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-16  4:37                               ` Barry Song [this message]
2022-03-16  5:44                                 ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-16  6:06                                   ` Barry Song
2022-03-16 21:37                                     ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-10 21:37   ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-02-13 21:16     ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 05/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: minimal implementation Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:33   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 16:50   ` Johannes Weiner
2022-02-10  2:53     ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-13 10:04   ` Hillf Danton
2022-02-17  0:13     ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-23  8:27   ` Huang, Ying
2022-02-23  9:36     ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-24  0:59       ` Huang, Ying
2022-02-24  1:34         ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-24  3:31           ` Huang, Ying
2022-02-24  4:09             ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-24  5:27               ` Huang, Ying
2022-02-24  5:35                 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 06/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: exploit locality in rmap Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:40   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 07/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: support page table walks Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:39   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 08/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: optimize multiple memcgs Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 09/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: runtime switch Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:42   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:19 ` [PATCH v7 10/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: thrashing prevention Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:43   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:19 ` [PATCH v7 11/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: debugfs interface Yu Zhao
2022-02-18 18:56   ` [page-reclaim] " David Rientjes
2022-02-08  8:19 ` [PATCH v7 12/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: documentation Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:44   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-14 10:28   ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-16  3:22     ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-21  9:01       ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-22  1:47         ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-23 10:58           ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-23 21:20             ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 10:11 ` [PATCH v7 00/12] Multigenerational LRU Framework Oleksandr Natalenko
2022-02-08 11:14   ` Michal Hocko
2022-02-08 11:23     ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2022-02-11 20:12 ` Alexey Avramov
2022-02-12 21:01   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-03  6:06 ` Vaibhav Jain
2022-03-03  6:47   ` Yu Zhao

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