From: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
To: Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 04/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: groundwork
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 00:11:50 +1300 [thread overview]
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> > > >
> > > > > We used to put a faulted file page in inactive, if we access it a
> > > > > second time, it can be promoted
> > > > > to active. then in recent years, we have also applied this to anon
> > > > > pages while kernel adds
> > > > > workingset protection for anon pages. so basically both anon and file
> > > > > pages go into the inactive
> > > > > list for the 1st time, if we access it for the second time, they go to
> > > > > the active list. if we don't access
> > > > > it any more, they are likely to be reclaimed as they are inactive.
> > > > > we do have some special fastpath for code section, executable file
> > > > > pages are kept on active list
> > > > > as long as they are accessed.
> > > >
> > > > Yes.
> > > >
> > > > > so all of the above concerns are actually not that correct?
> > > >
> > > > They are valid concerns but I don't know any popular workloads that
> > > > care about them.
> > >
> > > Hi Yu,
> > > here we can get a workload in Kim's patchset while he added workingset
> > > protection
> > > for anon pages:
> > > https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-mm/cover/1581401993-20041-1-git-send-email-iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com/
> >
> > Thanks. I wouldn't call that a workload because it's not a real
> > application. By popular workloads, I mean applications that the
> > majority of people actually run on phones, in cloud, etc.
> >
> > > anon pages used to go to active rather than inactive, but kim's patchset
> > > moved to use inactive first. then only after the anon page is accessed
> > > second time, it can move to active.
> >
> > Yes. To clarify, the A-bit doesn't really mean the first or second
> > access. It can be many accesses each time it's set.
> >
> > > "In current implementation, newly created or swap-in anonymous page is
> > >
> > > started on the active list. Growing the active list results in rebalancing
> > > active/inactive list so old pages on the active list are demoted to the
> > > inactive list. Hence, hot page on the active list isn't protected at all.
> > >
> > > Following is an example of this situation.
> > >
> > > Assume that 50 hot pages on active list and system can contain total
> > > 100 pages. Numbers denote the number of pages on active/inactive
> > > list (active | inactive). (h) stands for hot pages and (uo) stands for
> > > used-once pages.
> > >
> > > 1. 50 hot pages on active list
> > > 50(h) | 0
> > >
> > > 2. workload: 50 newly created (used-once) pages
> > > 50(uo) | 50(h)
> > >
> > > 3. workload: another 50 newly created (used-once) pages
> > > 50(uo) | 50(uo), swap-out 50(h)
> > >
> > > As we can see, hot pages are swapped-out and it would cause swap-in later."
> > >
> > > Is MGLRU able to avoid the swap-out of the 50 hot pages?
> >
> > I think the real question is why the 50 hot pages can be moved to the
> > inactive list. If they are really hot, the A-bit should protect them.
>
> This is a good question.
>
> I guess it is probably because the current lru is trying to maintain a balance
> between the sizes of active and inactive lists. Thus, it can shrink active list
> even though pages might be still "hot" but not the recently accessed ones.
>
> 1. 50 hot pages on active list
> 50(h) | 0
>
> 2. workload: 50 newly created (used-once) pages
> 50(uo) | 50(h)
>
> 3. workload: another 50 newly created (used-once) pages
> 50(uo) | 50(uo), swap-out 50(h)
>
> the old kernel without anon workingset protection put workload 2 on active, so
> pushed 50 hot pages from active to inactive. workload 3 would further contribute
> to evict the 50 hot pages.
>
> it seems mglru doesn't demote pages from the youngest generation to older
> generation only in order to balance the list size? so mglru is probably safe
> in these cases.
>
> I will run some tests mentioned in Kim's patchset and report the result to you
> afterwards.
>
Hi Yu,
I did find putting faulted pages to the youngest generation lead to some
regression in the case ebizzy Kim's patchset mentioned while he tried
to support workingset protection for anon pages.
i did a little bit modification for rand_chunk() which is probably similar
with the modifcation() Kim mentioned in his patchset. The modification
can be found here:
https://github.com/21cnbao/ltp/commit/7134413d747bfa9ef
The test env is a x86 machine in which I have set memory size to 2.5GB and
set zRAM to 2GB and disabled external disk swap.
with the vanilla kernel:
\time -v ./a.out -vv -t 4 -s 209715200 -S 200000
so we have 10 chunks and 4 threads, each trunk is 209715200(200MB)
typical result:
Command being timed: "./a.out -vv -t 4 -s 209715200 -S 200000"
User time (seconds): 36.19
System time (seconds): 229.72
Percent of CPU this job got: 371%
Elapsed (wall clock) time (h:mm:ss or m:ss): 1:11.59
Average shared text size (kbytes): 0
Average unshared data size (kbytes): 0
Average stack size (kbytes): 0
Average total size (kbytes): 0
Maximum resident set size (kbytes): 2166196
Average resident set size (kbytes): 0
Major (requiring I/O) page faults: 9990128
Minor (reclaiming a frame) page faults: 33315945
Voluntary context switches: 59144
Involuntary context switches: 167754
Swaps: 0
File system inputs: 2760
File system outputs: 8
Socket messages sent: 0
Socket messages received: 0
Signals delivered: 0
Page size (bytes): 4096
Exit status: 0
with gen_lru and lru_gen/enabled=0x3:
typical result:
Command being timed: "./a.out -vv -t 4 -s 209715200 -S 200000"
User time (seconds): 36.34
System time (seconds): 276.07
Percent of CPU this job got: 378%
Elapsed (wall clock) time (h:mm:ss or m:ss): 1:22.46
**** 15% time +
Average shared text size (kbytes): 0
Average unshared data size (kbytes): 0
Average stack size (kbytes): 0
Average total size (kbytes): 0
Maximum resident set size (kbytes): 2168120
Average resident set size (kbytes): 0
Major (requiring I/O) page faults: 13362810
***** 30% page fault +
Minor (reclaiming a frame) page faults: 33394617
Voluntary context switches: 55216
Involuntary context switches: 137220
Swaps: 0
File system inputs: 4088
File system outputs: 8
Socket messages sent: 0
Socket messages received: 0
Signals delivered: 0
Page size (bytes): 4096
Exit status: 0
with gen_lru and lru_gen/enabled=0x7:
typical result:
Command being timed: "./a.out -vv -t 4 -s 209715200 -S 200000"
User time (seconds): 36.13
System time (seconds): 251.71
Percent of CPU this job got: 378%
Elapsed (wall clock) time (h:mm:ss or m:ss): 1:16.00
*****better than enabled=0x3, worse than vanilla
Average shared text size (kbytes): 0
Average unshared data size (kbytes): 0
Average stack size (kbytes): 0
Average total size (kbytes): 0
Maximum resident set size (kbytes): 2120988
Average resident set size (kbytes): 0
Major (requiring I/O) page faults: 12706512
Minor (reclaiming a frame) page faults: 33422243
Voluntary context switches: 49485
Involuntary context switches: 126765
Swaps: 0
File system inputs: 2976
File system outputs: 8
Socket messages sent: 0
Socket messages received: 0
Signals delivered: 0
Page size (bytes): 4096
Exit status: 0
I can also reproduce the problem on arm64.
I am not saying this is going to block mglru from being mainlined. But I am
still curious if this is an issue worth being addressed somehow in mglru.
> >
> > > since MGLRU
> > > is putting faulted pages to the youngest generation directly, do we have the
> > > risk mentioned in Kim's patchset?
> >
> > There are always risks :) I could imagine a thousand ways to make VM
> > suffer, but all of them could be irrelevant to how it actually does in
> > production. So a concrete use case of yours would be much appreciated
> > for this discussion.
>
Thanks
Barry
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-03-14 11:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-02-08 8:18 [PATCH v7 00/12] Multigenerational LRU Framework Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:18 ` [PATCH v7 01/12] mm: x86, arm64: add arch_has_hw_pte_young() Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:24 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 10:33 ` Will Deacon
2022-02-08 8:18 ` [PATCH v7 02/12] mm: x86: add CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_NONLEAF_PMD_YOUNG Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:27 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:18 ` [PATCH v7 03/12] mm/vmscan.c: refactor shrink_node() Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:18 ` [PATCH v7 04/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: groundwork Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:28 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-10 20:41 ` Johannes Weiner
2022-02-15 9:43 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-15 21:53 ` Johannes Weiner
2022-02-21 8:14 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-23 21:18 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-25 16:34 ` Minchan Kim
2022-03-03 15:29 ` Johannes Weiner
2022-03-03 19:26 ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-03 21:43 ` Johannes Weiner
2022-03-11 10:16 ` Barry Song
2022-03-11 23:45 ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-12 10:37 ` Barry Song
2022-03-12 21:11 ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-13 4:57 ` Barry Song
2022-03-14 11:11 ` Barry Song [this message]
2022-03-14 16:45 ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-14 23:38 ` Barry Song
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2022-03-15 10:29 ` Barry Song
2022-03-16 2:46 ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-16 4:37 ` Barry Song
2022-03-16 5:44 ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-16 6:06 ` Barry Song
2022-03-16 21:37 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-10 21:37 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-02-13 21:16 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:18 ` [PATCH v7 05/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: minimal implementation Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:33 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 16:50 ` Johannes Weiner
2022-02-10 2:53 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-13 10:04 ` Hillf Danton
2022-02-17 0:13 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-23 8:27 ` Huang, Ying
2022-02-23 9:36 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-24 0:59 ` Huang, Ying
2022-02-24 1:34 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-24 3:31 ` Huang, Ying
2022-02-24 4:09 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-24 5:27 ` Huang, Ying
2022-02-24 5:35 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:18 ` [PATCH v7 06/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: exploit locality in rmap Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:40 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:18 ` [PATCH v7 07/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: support page table walks Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:39 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:18 ` [PATCH v7 08/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: optimize multiple memcgs Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:18 ` [PATCH v7 09/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: runtime switch Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:42 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:19 ` [PATCH v7 10/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: thrashing prevention Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:43 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:19 ` [PATCH v7 11/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: debugfs interface Yu Zhao
2022-02-18 18:56 ` [page-reclaim] " David Rientjes
2022-02-08 8:19 ` [PATCH v7 12/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: documentation Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 8:44 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-14 10:28 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-16 3:22 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-21 9:01 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-22 1:47 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-23 10:58 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-23 21:20 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 10:11 ` [PATCH v7 00/12] Multigenerational LRU Framework Oleksandr Natalenko
2022-02-08 11:14 ` Michal Hocko
2022-02-08 11:23 ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2022-02-11 20:12 ` Alexey Avramov
2022-02-12 21:01 ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-03 6:06 ` Vaibhav Jain
2022-03-03 6:47 ` Yu Zhao
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