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From: Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG <s.priebe@profihost.ag>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	l.roehrs@profihost.ag,  cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: lot of MemAvailable but falling cache and raising PSI
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 11:46:13 -0700
Message-ID: <CAHbLzkp05vndxk0yRW2SD83bFJG_HQ=yHWt0vDbR6LmP02AR8Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <08b3d576-4574-918f-ef45-734752ddcec6@profihost.ag>

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 10:26 AM Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
<s.priebe@profihost.ag> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Am 05.09.19 um 18:28 schrieb Yang Shi:
> > On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 4:56 AM Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
> > <s.priebe@profihost.ag> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 05.09.19 um 13:40 schrieb Michal Hocko:
> >>> On Thu 05-09-19 13:27:10, Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG wrote:
> >>>> Hello all,
> >>>>
> >>>> i hope you can help me again to understand the current MemAvailable
> >>>> value in the linux kernel. I'm running a 4.19.52 kernel + psi patches in
> >>>> this case.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm seeing the following behaviour i don't understand and ask for help.
> >>>>
> >>>> While MemAvailable shows 5G the kernel starts to drop cache from 4G down
> >>>> to 1G while the apache spawns some PHP processes. After that the PSI
> >>>> mem.some value rises and the kernel tries to reclaim memory but
> >>>> MemAvailable stays at 5G.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any ideas?
> >>>
> >>> Can you collect /proc/vmstat (every second or so) and post it while this
> >>> is the case please?
> >>
> >> Yes sure.
> >>
> >> But i don't know which event you mean exactly. Current situation is PSI
> >> / memory pressure is > 20 but:
> >>
> >> This is the current status where MemAvailable show 5G but Cached is
> >> already dropped to 1G coming from 4G:
> >
> > I don't get what problem you are running into. MemAvailable is *not*
> > the indication for triggering memory reclaim.
>
> Yes it's not sure. But i don't get why:
> * PSI is raising and Caches are dropped when MemAvail and MemFree show 5GB

You need check your water mark (/proc/min_free_kbytes,
/proc/watermark_scale_factor and /proc/zoneinfo) setting why kswapd is
launched when there is 5 GB free memory.

>
> > Basically MemAvailable = MemFree + page cache (active file + inactive
> > file) / 2 + SReclaimable / 2, which means that much memory could be
> > reclaimed if memory pressure is hit.
>
> Yes but MemFree also shows 5G in this case see below and still file
> cache gets dropped and PSI is rising.
>
> > But, memory pressure (tracked by PSI) is triggered by how much memory
> > (aka watermark) is consumed.
> What does this exactly mean?

cat /proc/zoneinfo, it would show something like:

pages free     4118641
        min      12470
        low      16598
        high     20726

Here min/low/high are the so-called "water mark". When free memory is
lower than low, kswapd would be launched.

>
> > So, it looks page reclaim logic just reclaimed file cache (it looks
> > sane since your VM doesn't have swap partition), so I'm supposed you
> > would see MemFree increased along with dropping "Cached",
>
> No it does not. MemFree and MemAvail stay constant at 5G.
>
> > but
> > MemAvailable basically is not changed. It looks sane to me. Am I
> > missing something else?
>
> I ever thought the kerne would not free the cache nor PSI gets rising
> when there are 5GB in MemFree and in MemAvail. This makes still no sense
> to me. Why drop the cache when you have 5G free. This results currently
> in I/O waits as the page was dropped.
>
> Greets,
> Stefan
>
> >>
> >> meminfo:
> >> MemTotal:       16423116 kB
> >> MemFree:         5280736 kB
> >> MemAvailable:    5332752 kB
> >> Buffers:            2572 kB
> >> Cached:          1225112 kB
> >> SwapCached:            0 kB
> >> Active:          8934976 kB
> >> Inactive:        1026900 kB
> >> Active(anon):    8740396 kB
> >> Inactive(anon):   873448 kB
> >> Active(file):     194580 kB
> >> Inactive(file):   153452 kB
> >> Unevictable:       19900 kB
> >> Mlocked:           19900 kB
> >> SwapTotal:             0 kB
> >> SwapFree:              0 kB
> >> Dirty:              1980 kB
> >> Writeback:             0 kB
> >> AnonPages:       8423480 kB
> >> Mapped:           978212 kB
> >> Shmem:            875680 kB
> >> Slab:             839868 kB
> >> SReclaimable:     383396 kB
> >> SUnreclaim:       456472 kB
> >> KernelStack:       22576 kB
> >> PageTables:        49824 kB
> >> NFS_Unstable:          0 kB
> >> Bounce:                0 kB
> >> WritebackTmp:          0 kB
> >> CommitLimit:     8211556 kB
> >> Committed_AS:   32060624 kB
> >> VmallocTotal:   34359738367 kB
> >> VmallocUsed:           0 kB
> >> VmallocChunk:          0 kB
> >> Percpu:           118048 kB
> >> HardwareCorrupted:     0 kB
> >> AnonHugePages:   6406144 kB
> >> ShmemHugePages:        0 kB
> >> ShmemPmdMapped:        0 kB
> >> HugePages_Total:       0
> >> HugePages_Free:        0
> >> HugePages_Rsvd:        0
> >> HugePages_Surp:        0
> >> Hugepagesize:       2048 kB
> >> Hugetlb:               0 kB
> >> DirectMap4k:     2580336 kB
> >> DirectMap2M:    14196736 kB
> >> DirectMap1G:     2097152 kB
> >>
> >>
> >> vmstat shows:
> >> nr_free_pages 1320053
> >> nr_zone_inactive_anon 218362
> >> nr_zone_active_anon 2185108
> >> nr_zone_inactive_file 38363
> >> nr_zone_active_file 48645
> >> nr_zone_unevictable 4975
> >> nr_zone_write_pending 495
> >> nr_mlock 4975
> >> nr_page_table_pages 12553
> >> nr_kernel_stack 22576
> >> nr_bounce 0
> >> nr_zspages 0
> >> nr_free_cma 0
> >> numa_hit 13916119899
> >> numa_miss 0
> >> numa_foreign 0
> >> numa_interleave 15629
> >> numa_local 13916119899
> >> numa_other 0
> >> nr_inactive_anon 218362
> >> nr_active_anon 2185164
> >> nr_inactive_file 38363
> >> nr_active_file 48645
> >> nr_unevictable 4975
> >> nr_slab_reclaimable 95849
> >> nr_slab_unreclaimable 114118
> >> nr_isolated_anon 0
> >> nr_isolated_file 0
> >> workingset_refault 71365357
> >> workingset_activate 20281670
> >> workingset_restore 8995665
> >> workingset_nodereclaim 326085
> >> nr_anon_pages 2105903
> >> nr_mapped 244553
> >> nr_file_pages 306921
> >> nr_dirty 495
> >> nr_writeback 0
> >> nr_writeback_temp 0
> >> nr_shmem 218920
> >> nr_shmem_hugepages 0
> >> nr_shmem_pmdmapped 0
> >> nr_anon_transparent_hugepages 3128
> >> nr_unstable 0
> >> nr_vmscan_write 0
> >> nr_vmscan_immediate_reclaim 1833104
> >> nr_dirtied 386544087
> >> nr_written 259220036
> >> nr_dirty_threshold 265636
> >> nr_dirty_background_threshold 132656
> >> pgpgin 1817628997
> >> pgpgout 3730818029
> >> pswpin 0
> >> pswpout 0
> >> pgalloc_dma 0
> >> pgalloc_dma32 5790777997
> >> pgalloc_normal 20003662520
> >> pgalloc_movable 0
> >> allocstall_dma 0
> >> allocstall_dma32 0
> >> allocstall_normal 39
> >> allocstall_movable 1980089
> >> pgskip_dma 0
> >> pgskip_dma32 0
> >> pgskip_normal 0
> >> pgskip_movable 0
> >> pgfree 26637215947
> >> pgactivate 316722654
> >> pgdeactivate 261039211
> >> pglazyfree 0
> >> pgfault 17719356599
> >> pgmajfault 30985544
> >> pglazyfreed 0
> >> pgrefill 286826568
> >> pgsteal_kswapd 36740923
> >> pgsteal_direct 349291470
> >> pgscan_kswapd 36878966
> >> pgscan_direct 395327492
> >> pgscan_direct_throttle 0
> >> zone_reclaim_failed 0
> >> pginodesteal 49817087
> >> slabs_scanned 597956834
> >> kswapd_inodesteal 1412447
> >> kswapd_low_wmark_hit_quickly 39
> >> kswapd_high_wmark_hit_quickly 319
> >> pageoutrun 3585
> >> pgrotated 2873743
> >> drop_pagecache 0
> >> drop_slab 0
> >> oom_kill 0
> >> pgmigrate_success 839062285
> >> pgmigrate_fail 507313
> >> compact_migrate_scanned 9619077010
> >> compact_free_scanned 67985619651
> >> compact_isolated 1684537704
> >> compact_stall 205761
> >> compact_fail 182420
> >> compact_success 23341
> >> compact_daemon_wake 2
> >> compact_daemon_migrate_scanned 811
> >> compact_daemon_free_scanned 490241
> >> htlb_buddy_alloc_success 0
> >> htlb_buddy_alloc_fail 0
> >> unevictable_pgs_culled 1006521
> >> unevictable_pgs_scanned 0
> >> unevictable_pgs_rescued 997077
> >> unevictable_pgs_mlocked 1319203
> >> unevictable_pgs_munlocked 842471
> >> unevictable_pgs_cleared 470531
> >> unevictable_pgs_stranded 459613
> >> thp_fault_alloc 20263113
> >> thp_fault_fallback 3368635
> >> thp_collapse_alloc 226476
> >> thp_collapse_alloc_failed 17594
> >> thp_file_alloc 0
> >> thp_file_mapped 0
> >> thp_split_page 1159
> >> thp_split_page_failed 3927
> >> thp_deferred_split_page 20348941
> >> thp_split_pmd 53361
> >> thp_split_pud 0
> >> thp_zero_page_alloc 1
> >> thp_zero_page_alloc_failed 0
> >> thp_swpout 0
> >> thp_swpout_fallback 0
> >> balloon_inflate 0
> >> balloon_deflate 0
> >> balloon_migrate 0
> >> swap_ra 0
> >> swap_ra_hit 0
> >>
> >> Greets,
> >> Stefan
> >>
> >>


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Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-05 11:27 Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-05 11:40 ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-05 11:56   ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-05 16:28     ` Yang Shi
2019-09-05 17:26       ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-05 18:46         ` Yang Shi [this message]
2019-09-05 19:31           ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-06 10:08     ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-06 10:25       ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-09-06 18:52       ` Yang Shi
2019-09-07  7:32         ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-09  8:27       ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-09  8:54         ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-09 11:01           ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-09 12:08             ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-09 12:10               ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-09 12:28                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-09 12:37                   ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-09 12:49                     ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-09 12:56                       ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
     [not found]                         ` <52235eda-ffe2-721c-7ad7-575048e2d29d@profihost.ag>
2019-09-10  5:58                           ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-10  8:29                           ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10  8:38                             ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-10  9:02                               ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10  9:37                                 ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-10 11:07                                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 12:45                                     ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-10 12:57                                       ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 13:05                                         ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-10 13:14                                           ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-10 13:24                                             ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11  6:12                                               ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-11  6:24                                                 ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-11 13:59                                                   ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-12 10:53                                                     ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-12 11:06                                                       ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-11  7:09                                                 ` 5.3-rc-8 hung task in IO (was: Re: lot of MemAvailable but falling cache and raising PSI) Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 14:09                                                   ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-11 14:56                                                   ` Filipe Manana
2019-09-11 15:39                                                     ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-11 15:56                                                       ` Filipe Manana
2019-09-11 16:15                                                         ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-11 16:19                                                           ` Filipe Manana
2019-09-19 10:21                                                 ` lot of MemAvailable but falling cache and raising PSI Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-23 12:08                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-27 12:45                                                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-09-30  6:56                                                     ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-30  7:21                                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-22  7:41                                                     ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-10-22  7:48                                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-22 10:02                                                         ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-10-22 10:20                                                           ` Oscar Salvador
2019-10-22 10:21                                                           ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-22 11:08                                                             ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-10  5:41                       ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-09 11:49           ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-09-09 12:09             ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-09 12:21               ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-09-09 12:31                 ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2019-09-05 12:15 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-09-05 12:27   ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG

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