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Wysocki" Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 17:24:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH 000/141] Fix fall-through warnings for Clang To: James Bottomley Cc: Miguel Ojeda , Kees Cook , Jakub Kicinski , "Gustavo A. R. Silva" , linux-kernel , "moderated list:SOUND - SOC LAYER / DYNAMIC AUDIO POWER MANAGEM..." , amd-gfx list , bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org, ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org, cluster-devel@redhat.com, coreteam@netfilter.org, devel@driverdev.osuosl.org, dm-devel@redhat.com, drbd-dev@lists.linbit.com, dri-devel , GR-everest-linux-l2@marvell.com, GR-Linux-NIC-Dev@marvell.com, intel-gfx , intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org, linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, ACPI Devel Maling List , linux-afs@lists.infradead.org, Linux ARM , linux-arm-msm , linux-atm-general@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-can@vger.kernel.org, linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, Linux Crypto Mailing List , linux-decnet-user@lists.sourceforge.net, Ext4 Developers List , "open list:FRAMEBUFFER LAYER" , linux-geode@lists.infradead.org, linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org, linux-hams@vger.kernel.org, linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, linux-i3c@lists.infradead.org, "open list:LIBATA SUBSYSTEM (Serial and Parallel ATA drivers)" , linux-iio@vger.kernel.org, linux-input , linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, "moderated list:ARM/Mediatek SoC..." , Linux Media Mailing List , linux-mmc , Linux-MM , linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, Linux-Renesas , "open list:TARGET SUBSYSTEM" , linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-stm32@st-md-mailman.stormreply.com, "open list:ULTRA-WIDEBAND (UWB) SUBSYSTEM:" , linux-watchdog@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless , Network Development , netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, nouveau , op-tee@lists.trustedfirmware.org, oss-drivers@netronome.com, patches@opensource.cirrus.com, rds-devel@oss.oracle.com, reiserfs-devel@vger.kernel.org, samba-technical@lists.samba.org, selinux@vger.kernel.org, target-devel@vger.kernel.org, tipc-discussion@lists.sourceforge.net, usb-storage@lists.one-eyed-alien.net, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, wcn36xx@lists.infradead.org, "maintainer:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)" , xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org, Nick Desaulniers , Nathan Chancellor , Miguel Ojeda , Joe Perches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 4:58 PM James Bottomley wrote: > > On Mon, 2020-11-23 at 15:19 +0100, Miguel Ojeda wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 11:36 PM James Bottomley > > wrote: [cut] > > > > Maintainers routinely review 1-line trivial patches, not to mention > > internal API changes, etc. > > We're also complaining about the inability to recruit maintainers: > > https://www.theregister.com/2020/06/30/hard_to_find_linux_maintainers_says_torvalds/ > > And burn out: > > http://antirez.com/news/129 Right. > The whole crux of your argument seems to be maintainers' time isn't > important so we should accept all trivial patches ... I'm pushing back > on that assumption in two places, firstly the valulessness of the time > and secondly that all trivial patches are valuable. > > > If some company does not want to pay for that, that's fine, but they > > don't get to be maintainers and claim `Supported`. > > What I'm actually trying to articulate is a way of measuring value of > the patch vs cost ... it has nothing really to do with who foots the > actual bill. > > One thesis I'm actually starting to formulate is that this continual > devaluing of maintainers is why we have so much difficulty keeping and > recruiting them. Absolutely. This is just one of the factors involved, but a significant one IMV.