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From: Mark Seaborn <mseaborn@chromium.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>,
	Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@openvz.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC, PATCH] pagemap: do not leak physical addresses to non-privileged userspace
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:49:30 -0700
Message-ID: <CAL82V5O6awBrpj8uf2_cEREzZWPfjLfqPtRbHEd5_zTkRLU8Sg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150316211122.GD11441@amd>

On 16 March 2015 at 14:11, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> On Mon 2015-03-09 23:11:12, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> > From: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
> >
> > As pointed by recent post[1] on exploiting DRAM physical imperfection,
> > /proc/PID/pagemap exposes sensitive information which can be used to do
> > attacks.
> >
> > This is RFC patch which disallow anybody without CAP_SYS_ADMIN to read
> > the pagemap.
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > [1] http://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2015/03/exploiting-dram-rowhammer-bug-to-gain.html
>
> Note that this kind of attack still works without pagemap, it just
> takes longer. Actually the first demo program is not using pagemap.

That depends on the machine -- it depends on how bad the machine's
DRAM is, and whether the machine has the 2x refresh rate mitigation
enabled.

Machines with less-bad DRAM or with a 2x refresh rate might still be
vulnerable to rowhammer, but only if the attacker has access to huge
pages or to /proc/PID/pagemap.

/proc/PID/pagemap also gives an attacker the ability to scan for bad
DRAM locations, save a list of their addresses, and exploit them in
the future.

Given that, I think it would still be worthwhile to disable /proc/PID/pagemap.


> Can we do anything about that? Disabling cache flushes from userland
> should make it no longer exploitable.

Unfortunately there's no way to disable userland code's use of
CLFLUSH, as far as I know.

Maybe Intel or AMD could disable CLFLUSH via a microcode update, but
they have not said whether that would be possible.

Cheers,
Mark

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Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-09 21:11 Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-09 21:20 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2015-03-09 22:09 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-03-10  0:11 ` Kees Cook
2015-03-10  0:19   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-10  2:36     ` Dave Hansen
2015-03-16 21:11 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-17  0:49   ` Mark Seaborn [this message]
2015-03-17  1:21     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-17 11:16       ` rowhammer and pagemap (was Re: [RFC, PATCH] pagemap: do not leak physical addresses to non-privileged userspace) Pavel Machek
2015-03-17 17:58         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-03-23 21:26           ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-19 12:51       ` [RFC, PATCH] pagemap: do not leak physical addresses to non-privileged userspace Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-23 21:26         ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-23 22:36           ` Vlastimil Babka

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