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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/8] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 10:37:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrWw=Q=1AKW0Jcj3ZGscjyjDJXAjuxOnQx_sabQ6ZtS-wg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220614072800.GB1783435@chaop.bj.intel.com>

On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 12:32 AM Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 08:29:06PM +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 08, 2022, Vishal Annapurve wrote:
> >
> > One argument is that userspace can simply rely on cgroups to detect misbehaving
> > guests, but (a) those types of OOMs will be a nightmare to debug and (b) an OOM
> > kill from the host is typically considered a _host_ issue and will be treated as
> > a missed SLO.
> >
> > An idea for handling this in the kernel without too much complexity would be to
> > add F_SEAL_FAULT_ALLOCATIONS (terrible name) that would prevent page faults from
> > allocating pages, i.e. holes can only be filled by an explicit fallocate().  Minor
> > faults, e.g. due to NUMA balancing stupidity, and major faults due to swap would
> > still work, but writes to previously unreserved/unallocated memory would get a
> > SIGSEGV on something it has mapped.  That would allow the userspace VMM to prevent
> > unintentional allocations without having to coordinate unmapping/remapping across
> > multiple processes.
>
> Since this is mainly for shared memory and the motivation is catching
> misbehaved access, can we use mprotect(PROT_NONE) for this? We can mark
> those range backed by private fd as PROT_NONE during the conversion so
> subsequence misbehaved accesses will be blocked instead of causing double
> allocation silently.

This patch series is fairly close to implementing a rather more
efficient solution.  I'm not familiar enough with hypervisor userspace
to really know if this would work, but:

What if shared guest memory could also be file-backed, either in the
same fd or with a second fd covering the shared portion of a memslot?
This would allow changes to the backing store (punching holes, etc) to
be some without mmap_lock or host-userspace TLB flushes?  Depending on
what the guest is doing with its shared memory, userspace might need
the memory mapped or it might not.

--Andy


  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-14 17:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-19 15:37 [PATCH v6 0/8] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 1/8] mm: Introduce memfile_notifier Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 2/8] mm/shmem: Support memfile_notifier Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 3/8] mm/memfd: Introduce MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag Chao Peng
2022-05-31 19:15   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-06-01 10:17     ` Chao Peng
2022-06-01 12:11       ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-06-02 10:07         ` Chao Peng
2022-06-14 20:23           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-15  8:53             ` Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 4/8] KVM: Extend the memslot to support fd-based private memory Chao Peng
2022-05-20 17:57   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-05-20 18:31     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-05-22  4:03       ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-05-23 13:21       ` Chao Peng
2022-05-23 15:22         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-05-30 13:26           ` Chao Peng
2022-06-10 16:14             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-14  6:45               ` Chao Peng
2022-06-23 22:59       ` Michael Roth
2022-06-24  8:54         ` Chao Peng
2022-06-24 13:01           ` Michael Roth
2022-06-17 20:52   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-17 21:27     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-20 14:09       ` Chao Peng
2022-06-20 14:08     ` Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 5/8] KVM: Add KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT exit Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 6/8] KVM: Handle page fault for private memory Chao Peng
2022-06-17 21:30   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-20 14:16     ` Chao Peng
2022-08-19  0:40     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-25 23:43       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-24  3:58   ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2022-06-24  9:02     ` Chao Peng
2022-06-30 19:14       ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-06-30 22:21         ` Michael Roth
2022-07-01  1:21           ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-07-07 20:08             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-08  3:29               ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-07-20 23:08                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-07-21  9:45                   ` Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 7/8] KVM: Enable and expose KVM_MEM_PRIVATE Chao Peng
2022-06-23 22:07   ` Michael Roth
2022-06-24  8:43     ` Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 8/8] memfd_create.2: Describe MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag Chao Peng
2022-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v6 0/8] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Vishal Annapurve
2022-06-07  6:57   ` Chao Peng
2022-06-08  0:55     ` Marc Orr
2022-06-08  2:18       ` Chao Peng
2022-06-08 19:37         ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-06-09 20:29           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-14  7:28             ` Chao Peng
2022-06-14 17:37               ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2022-06-14 19:08                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-14 20:59                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-06-15  9:17                     ` Chao Peng
2022-06-15 14:29                       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-10  0:11         ` Marc Orr

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