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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>
To: Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>, Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>
Cc: Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	 LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 Xiongchun duan <duanxiongchun@bytedance.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/15] Use obj_cgroup APIs to charge the LRU pages
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 11:34:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALvZod4xHNmTQMd+zg71s7uyXUHEfwnQ-zqRXSWphwi9RogeNg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210330101531.82752-1-songmuchun@bytedance.com>

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 3:20 AM Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com> wrote:
>
> Since the following patchsets applied. All the kernel memory are charged
> with the new APIs of obj_cgroup.
>
>         [v17,00/19] The new cgroup slab memory controller
>         [v5,0/7] Use obj_cgroup APIs to charge kmem pages
>
> But user memory allocations (LRU pages) pinning memcgs for a long time -
> it exists at a larger scale and is causing recurring problems in the real
> world: page cache doesn't get reclaimed for a long time, or is used by the
> second, third, fourth, ... instance of the same job that was restarted into
> a new cgroup every time. Unreclaimable dying cgroups pile up, waste memory,
> and make page reclaim very inefficient.
>
> We can convert LRU pages and most other raw memcg pins to the objcg direction
> to fix this problem, and then the LRU pages will not pin the memcgs.
>
> This patchset aims to make the LRU pages to drop the reference to memory
> cgroup by using the APIs of obj_cgroup. Finally, we can see that the number
> of the dying cgroups will not increase if we run the following test script.
>
> ```bash
> #!/bin/bash
>
> cat /proc/cgroups | grep memory
>
> cd /sys/fs/cgroup/memory
>
> for i in range{1..500}
> do
>         mkdir test
>         echo $$ > test/cgroup.procs
>         sleep 60 &
>         echo $$ > cgroup.procs
>         echo `cat test/cgroup.procs` > cgroup.procs
>         rmdir test
> done
>
> cat /proc/cgroups | grep memory
> ```
>
> Patch 1 aims to fix page charging in page replacement.
> Patch 2-5 are code cleanup and simplification.
> Patch 6-15 convert LRU pages pin to the objcg direction.

The main concern I have with *just* reparenting LRU pages is that for
the long running systems, the root memcg will become a dumping ground.
In addition a job running multiple times on a machine will see
inconsistent memory usage if it re-accesses the file pages which were
reparented to the root memcg.

Please note that I do agree with the mentioned problem and we do see
this issue in our fleet. Internally we have a "memcg mount option"
feature which couples a file system with a memcg and all file pages
allocated on that file system will be charged to that memcg. Multiple
instances (concurrent or subsequent) of the job will use that file
system (with a dedicated memcg) without leaving the zombies behind. I
am not pushing for this solution as it comes with its own intricacies
(e.g. if memcg coupled with a file system has a limit, the oom
behavior would be awkward and therefore internally we don't put a
limit on such memcgs). Though I want this to be part of discussion.

I think the underlying reasons behind this issue are:

1) Filesystem shared by disjoint jobs.
2) For job dedicated filesystems, the lifetime of the filesystem is
different from the lifetime of the job.

For now, we have two potential solutions to the
zombies-due-to-offlined-LRU-pages i.e. (1) reparent and (2) pairing
memcg and filesystem. For reparenting, the cons are inconsistent
memory usage and root memcg potentially becoming dumping ground. For
pairing, the oom behavior is awkward which is the same for any type of
remote charging.

I am wondering how we can resolve the cons for each. To resolve the
root-memcg-dump issue in the reparenting, maybe we uncharge the page
when it reaches root and the next accesser will be charged. For
inconsistent memory usage, either users accept the inconsistency or
force reclaim before offline which will reduce the benefit of sharing
filesystem with subsequent instances of the job. For the pairing,
maybe we can punt to the user/admin to not set a limit on such memcg
to avoid awkward oom situations.

Thoughts?


  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-03-30 18:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-30 10:15 [RFC PATCH 00/15] Use obj_cgroup APIs to charge the LRU pages Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 01/15] mm: memcontrol: fix page charging in page replacement Muchun Song
2021-04-02 15:07   ` Johannes Weiner
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 02/15] mm: memcontrol: bail out early when !mm in get_mem_cgroup_from_mm Muchun Song
2021-04-02 15:08   ` Johannes Weiner
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 03/15] mm: memcontrol: remove the pgdata parameter of mem_cgroup_page_lruvec Muchun Song
2021-04-02 15:22   ` Johannes Weiner
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 04/15] mm: memcontrol: use lruvec_memcg in lruvec_holds_page_lru_lock Muchun Song
2021-04-02 16:21   ` Johannes Weiner
2021-04-03 12:37     ` [External] " Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 05/15] mm: memcontrol: simplify the logic of objcg pinning memcg Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 06/15] mm: memcontrol: move the objcg infrastructure out of CONFIG_MEMCG_KMEM Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 07/15] mm: memcontrol: introduce compact_lock_page_lruvec_irqsave Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 08/15] mm: memcontrol: make lruvec lock safe when the LRU pages reparented Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 09/15] mm: thp: introduce lock/unlock_split_queue{_irqsave}() Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 10/15] mm: thp: make deferred split queue lock safe when the LRU pages reparented Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 11/15] mm: memcontrol: make all the callers of page_memcg() safe Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 12/15] mm: memcontrol: introduce memcg_reparent_ops Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 13/15] mm: memcontrol: use obj_cgroup APIs to charge the LRU pages Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 14/15] mm: memcontrol: rename {un}lock_page_memcg() to {un}lock_page_objcg() Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 15/15] mm: lru: add VM_BUG_ON_PAGE to lru maintenance function Muchun Song
2021-03-30 18:34 ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2021-03-30 18:58   ` [RFC PATCH 00/15] Use obj_cgroup APIs to charge the LRU pages Roman Gushchin
2021-03-30 21:30     ` Johannes Weiner
2021-03-30 22:05       ` Roman Gushchin
2021-03-31 15:17         ` Johannes Weiner
2021-04-01 16:07           ` [External] " Muchun Song
2021-04-01 17:15             ` Shakeel Butt
2021-04-02  3:14               ` Muchun Song
2021-04-02 17:30               ` Johannes Weiner
2021-04-01 21:34             ` Roman Gushchin
2021-04-01 22:55           ` Yang Shi
2021-04-02  4:03             ` [External] " Muchun Song
2021-03-30 21:10   ` Johannes Weiner
2021-03-31  0:28     ` Shakeel Butt
2021-03-31  3:28     ` Balbir Singh

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