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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
Cc: Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, longpeng2@huawei.com, arnd@arndb.de,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, david@redhat.com, rppt@kernel.org,
	surenb@google.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/6] Add support for shared PTEs across processes
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 14:09:47 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YfAEqzTeBJSIOKcA@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220125135917.ezi6itozrchsdcxg@box.shutemov.name>

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 04:59:17PM +0300, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 01:23:21PM +0000, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 02:42:12PM +0300, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> > > I wounder if we can get away with zero-API here: we can transparently
> > > create/use shared page tables for any inode on mmap(MAP_SHARED) as long as
> > > size and alignment is sutiable. Page tables will be linked to the inode
> > > and will be freed when the last of such mapping will go away. I don't see
> > > a need in new syscalls of flags to existing one.
> > 
> > That's how HugeTLBfs works today, right?  Would you want that mechanism
> > hoisted into the real MM?  Because my plan was the opposite -- remove it
> > from the shadow MM once mshare() is established.
> 
> I hate HugeTLBfs because it is a special place with own rules. mshare() as
> it proposed creates a new special place. I don't like this.

No new special place.  I suppose the only thing it creates that's "new"
is an MM without any threads of its own.  And from the MM point of view,
that's not a new thing at all because the MM simply doesn't care how
many threads share an MM.

> It's better to find a way to integrate the feature natively into core-mm
> and make as much users as possible to benefit from it.

That's what mshare is trying to do!

> I think zero-API approach (plus madvise() hints to tweak it) is worth
> considering.

I think the zero-API approach actually misses out on a lot of
possibilities that the mshare() approach offers.  For example, mshare()
allows you to mmap() many small files in the shared region -- you
can't do that with zeroAPI.


  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-25 14:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-18 21:19 [RFC PATCH 0/6] Add support for shared PTEs across processes Khalid Aziz
2022-01-18 21:19 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] mm: Add new system calls mshare, mshare_unlink Khalid Aziz
2022-01-18 21:19 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] mm: Add msharefs filesystem Khalid Aziz
2022-01-18 21:19 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] mm: Add read for msharefs Khalid Aziz
2022-01-18 21:19 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] mm: implement mshare_unlink syscall Khalid Aziz
2022-01-18 21:19 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] mm: Add locking to msharefs syscalls Khalid Aziz
2022-01-18 21:19 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] mm: Add basic page table sharing using mshare Khalid Aziz
2022-01-18 21:41 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] Add support for shared PTEs across processes Dave Hansen
2022-01-18 21:46   ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-18 22:47     ` Khalid Aziz
2022-01-18 22:06 ` Dave Hansen
2022-01-18 22:52   ` Khalid Aziz
2022-01-19 11:38 ` Mark Hemment
2022-01-19 17:02   ` Khalid Aziz
2022-01-20 12:49     ` Mark Hemment
2022-01-20 19:15       ` Khalid Aziz
2022-01-24 15:15         ` Mark Hemment
2022-01-24 15:27           ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-24 22:20           ` Khalid Aziz
2022-01-21  1:08 ` Barry Song
2022-01-21  2:13   ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-21  7:35     ` Barry Song
2022-01-21 14:47       ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-21 16:41         ` Khalid Aziz
2022-01-22  1:39           ` Longpeng (Mike, Cloud Infrastructure Service Product Dept.)
2022-01-22  1:41             ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-22 10:18               ` Thomas Schoebel-Theuer
2022-01-22 16:09                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-22 11:31 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-22 18:29   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-01-24 18:48   ` Khalid Aziz
2022-01-24 19:45     ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-01-24 22:30       ` Khalid Aziz
2022-01-24 23:16         ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-01-24 23:44           ` Khalid Aziz
2022-01-25 11:42 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-01-25 12:09   ` William Kucharski
2022-01-25 13:18     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-01-25 14:01       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-01-25 13:23   ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-25 13:59     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-01-25 14:09       ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2022-01-25 18:57         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-01-25 18:59           ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-26  4:04             ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-26 10:16               ` David Hildenbrand
2022-01-26 13:38                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-26 13:55                   ` David Hildenbrand
2022-01-26 14:12                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-26 14:30                       ` David Hildenbrand
2022-01-26 14:12                   ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-26 13:42               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-01-26 14:18                 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-26 17:33                   ` Khalid Aziz

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