From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3921DC2BA17 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 16:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kanga.kvack.org (kanga.kvack.org [205.233.56.17]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE88024939 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 16:12:03 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org EE88024939 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=perches.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) id 8E6238E0044; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 12:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 40) id 86E728E000D; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 12:12:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Delivered-To: int-list-linux-mm@kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 63042) id 75E368E0044; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 12:12:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Delivered-To: linux-mm@kvack.org Received: from forelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0145.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.145]) by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6188E000D for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 12:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpin20.hostedemail.com (10.5.19.251.rfc1918.com [10.5.19.251]) by forelay01.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCA5180AD806 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 16:12:03 +0000 (UTC) X-FDA: 76677921726.20.baby12_4c148ed9cc10e X-HE-Tag: baby12_4c148ed9cc10e X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 4468 Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0151.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.151]) by imf48.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 16:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (clb03-v110.bra.tucows.net [216.40.38.60]) by smtprelay01.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DF0100E7B72; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 16:12:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 6A6F6540706572636865732E636F6D X-HE-Tag: rest46_4bb8419fa601a X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 3233 Received: from XPS-9350.home (unknown [47.151.136.130]) (Authenticated sender: joe@perches.com) by omf10.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 16:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: Add kvfree_sensitive() for freeing sensitive data objects From: Joe Perches To: David Howells Cc: Waiman Long , Andrew Morton , Jarkko Sakkinen , James Morris , "Serge E. Hallyn" , linux-mm@kvack.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linus Torvalds Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2020 09:10:02 -0700 In-Reply-To: <319765.1586188840@warthog.procyon.org.uk> References: <20200406023700.1367-1-longman@redhat.com> <319765.1586188840@warthog.procyon.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.1-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Mon, 2020-04-06 at 17:00 +0100, David Howells wrote: > Joe Perches wrote: > > > > This patch introduces a new kvfree_sensitive() for freeing those > > > sensitive data objects allocated by kvmalloc(). The relevnat places > > > where kvfree_sensitive() can be used are modified to use it. > > > > Why isn't this called kvzfree like the existing kzfree? > > To quote Linus: > > We have a function for clearing sensitive information: it's called > "memclear_explicit()", and it's about forced (explicit) clearing even > if the data might look dead afterwards. > > The other problem with that function is the name: "__kvzfree()" is not > a useful name for this function. We use the "__" format for internal > low-level helpers, and it generally means that it does *less* than the > full function. This does more, not less, and "__" is not following any > sane naming model. > > So the name should probably be something like "kvfree_sensitive()" or > similar. Or maybe it could go even further, and talk about _why_ it's > sensitive, and call it "kvfree_cleartext()" or something like that. > > Because the clearing is really not what even matters. It might choose > other patterns to overwrite things with, but it might do other things > too, like putting special barriers for data leakage (or flags to tell > return-to-user-mode to do so). > > And yes, kzfree() isn't a good name either, and had that same > memset(), but at least it doesn't do the dual-underscore mistake. > > Including some kzfree()/crypto people explicitly - I hope we can get > away from this incorrect and actively wrong pattern of thinking that > "sensitive data should be memset(), and then we should add a random > 'z' in the name somewhere to 'document' that". Thanks. While I agree with Linus about the __ prefix, the z is pretty common and symmetric to all the zalloc uses. And if _sensitive is actually used, it'd be good to do a s/kzfree/kfree_sensitive/ one day sooner than later.