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From: Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Naoya Horiguchi <naoya.horiguchi@linux.dev>,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	Mina Almasry <almasrymina@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] mm: enable MADV_DONTNEED for hugetlb mappings
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 15:47:04 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d7e6ee46-8e0b-2ae3-c159-449a26c17ae9@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6a82ea68-6e1e-8f5a-ca89-6744fc896a0b@redhat.com>

On 2/4/22 00:35, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> I thought this was simple. :)
> 
> It really bugs me that it's under-specified what's supposed to happen
> when the length is not aligned.
> 
> BUT: in the posix world, "calling posix_madvise() shall not affect the
> semantics of access to memory in the specified range". So we don't care
> too much about if we align up/down, because it wouldn't affect the
> semantics. Especially for MADV_DONTNEED/MADV_REMOVE as implemented by
> Linux this is certainly different and the alignment handling matters.
> 
> So I guess especially for MADV_DONTNEED/MADV_REMOVE we need a clear
> specification what's supposed to happen if the length falls into the
> middle of a huge page. We should document alignment handling for
> madvise() in general I assume.
> 
> IMHO we should have bailed out right from the start whenever something
> is not properly aligned, but that ship has sailed. So I agree, maybe we
> can make at least hugetlb MADV_DONTNEED obey the same (weird) rules as
> ordinary pages.
> 
> So b) would mean, requiring start to be hugepage aligned and aligning-up
> the end. Still feels wrong but at least matches existing semantics.
> 
> Hugetlb MADV_REMOVE semantics are unfortunate and we should document the
> exception.

Thank you for all your comments David!

So, my plan was to make MADV_DONTNEED behave as described above:
- EINVAL if start address not huge page size aligned
- Align end/length up to huge page size.

The code I had for this was very specific to MADV_DONTNEED.  I then thought,
why not do the same for MADV_REMOVE as well?  Or even more general, add this
check and alignment to the vma parsing code in madvise.

It was then that I realized there are several madvise behaviors that take
non-huge page size aligned addresses for hugetlb mappings today.  Making
huge page size alignment a requirement for all madvise behaviors could break
existing code.  So, it seems like it could only be added to MADV_DONTNEED as
this functionality does not exist today.  We then end up with MADV_DONTNEED
as the only behavior requiring huge page size alignment for hugetlb mappings.
Sigh!!!

I am now rethinking the decision to proceed with b) as described above.

With the exception of MADV_REMOVE (which we may be able to change for
hugetlb),  madvise operations operate on huge page size pages for hugetlb
mappings.  If start address is in the middle of a hugetlb page, we essentially
align down to the beginning of the hugetlb page.  If length lands in the
middle of a hugetlb page, we essentially round up.

When adding MADV_REMOVE perhaps we should go with this align down start and
align up end strategy that is used everywhere else?  I really wish we could
go back and change things, but as you know it is too late for that.
-- 
Mike Kravetz


  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-07 23:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-02  1:40 [PATCH v2 0/3] Add hugetlb MADV_DONTNEED support Mike Kravetz
2022-02-02  1:40 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] mm: enable MADV_DONTNEED for hugetlb mappings Mike Kravetz
2022-02-02  8:14   ` David Hildenbrand
2022-02-02 19:32     ` Mike Kravetz
2022-02-04  8:35       ` David Hildenbrand
2022-02-07 23:47         ` Mike Kravetz [this message]
2022-02-10 13:09           ` David Hildenbrand
2022-02-10 22:11             ` Mike Kravetz
2022-02-11  8:43               ` David Hildenbrand
2022-02-10  3:21   ` Peter Xu
2022-02-10 21:36     ` Mike Kravetz
2022-02-11  2:28       ` Peter Xu
2022-02-11 19:08         ` Axel Rasmussen
2022-02-11 19:18           ` Mike Kravetz
2022-02-02  1:40 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] selftests/vm: add hugetlb madvise MADV_DONTNEED MADV_REMOVE test Mike Kravetz
2022-02-02  1:40 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] userfaultfd/selftests: enable huegtlb remap and remove event testing Mike Kravetz
2022-02-02  6:11   ` Mike Rapoport

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