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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-cachefs@redhat.com,
	 linux-afs@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 00/27] Memory Folios
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2021 11:14:27 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fa4fa9fc7236ff4a5f582ead8df4fd12ce08057d.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210405193120.GL2531743@casper.infradead.org>

On Mon, 2021-04-05 at 20:31 +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 03:14:29PM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > On Wed, 2021-03-31 at 19:47 +0100, Matthew Wilcox (Oracle) wrote:
> > > Managing memory in 4KiB pages is a serious overhead.  Many benchmarks
> > > exist which show the benefits of a larger "page size".  As an example,
> > > an earlier iteration of this idea which used compound pages got a 7%
> > > performance boost when compiling the kernel using kernbench without any
> > > particular tuning.
> > > 
> > > Using compound pages or THPs exposes a serious weakness in our type
> > > system.  Functions are often unprepared for compound pages to be passed
> > > to them, and may only act on PAGE_SIZE chunks.  Even functions which are
> > > aware of compound pages may expect a head page, and do the wrong thing
> > > if passed a tail page.
> > > 
> > > There have been efforts to label function parameters as 'head' instead
> > > of 'page' to indicate that the function expects a head page, but this
> > > leaves us with runtime assertions instead of using the compiler to prove
> > > that nobody has mistakenly passed a tail page.  Calling a struct page
> > > 'head' is also inaccurate as they will work perfectly well on base pages.
> > > The term 'nottail' has not proven popular.
> > > 
> > > We also waste a lot of instructions ensuring that we're not looking at
> > > a tail page.  Almost every call to PageFoo() contains one or more hidden
> > > calls to compound_head().  This also happens for get_page(), put_page()
> > > and many more functions.  There does not appear to be a way to tell gcc
> > > that it can cache the result of compound_head(), nor is there a way to
> > > tell it that compound_head() is idempotent.
> > > 
> > > This series introduces the 'struct folio' as a replacement for
> > > head-or-base pages.  This initial set reduces the kernel size by
> > > approximately 5kB by removing conversions from tail pages to head pages.
> > > The real purpose of this series is adding infrastructure to enable
> > > further use of the folio.
> > > 
> > > The medium-term goal is to convert all filesystems and some device
> > > drivers to work in terms of folios.  This series contains a lot of
> > > explicit conversions, but it's important to realise it's removing a lot
> > > of implicit conversions in some relatively hot paths.  There will be very
> > > few conversions from folios when this work is completed; filesystems,
> > > the page cache, the LRU and so on will generally only deal with folios.
> > 
> > I too am a little concerned about the amount of churn this is likely to
> > cause, but this does seem like a fairly promising way forward for
> > actually using THPs in the pagecache. The set is fairly straightforward.
> > 
> > That said, there are few callers of these new functions in here. Is this
> > set enough to allow converting some subsystem to use folios? It might be
> > good to do that if possible, so we can get an idea of how much work
> > we're in for.
> 
> It isn't enough to start converting much.  There needs to be a second set
> of patches which add all the infrastructure for converting a filesystem.
> Then we can start working on the filesystems.  I have a start at that
> here:
> 
> https://git.infradead.org/users/willy/pagecache.git/shortlog/refs/heads/folio
> 
> I don't know if it's exactly how I'll arrange it for submission.  It might
> be better to convert all the filesystem implementations of readpage
> to work on a folio, and then the big bang conversion of ->readpage to
> ->read_folio will look much more mechanical.
> 
> But if I can't convince people that a folio approach is what we need,
> then I should stop working on it, and go back to fixing the endless
> stream of bugs that the thp-based approach surfaces.

Fair enough. I generally prefer to see some callers added at the same
time as new functions, but I understand that the scale of this patchset
makes that difficult. You can add this to the whole series. I don't see
any major show-stoppers here:

Acked-by: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>



      reply	other threads:[~2021-04-06 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-31 18:47 [PATCH v6 00/27] Memory Folios Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 01/27] mm: Introduce struct folio Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 12:29   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-06 12:48     ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-04-06 14:21       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-06 14:31       ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-06 14:40         ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-04-06 14:47           ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-06 14:55             ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-04-06 15:05               ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-06 16:25                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-04-07  6:09                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-08  9:01   ` Rasmus Villemoes
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 02/27] mm: Add folio_pgdat and folio_zone Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 03/27] mm/vmstat: Add functions to account folio statistics Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 04/27] mm/debug: Add VM_BUG_ON_FOLIO and VM_WARN_ON_ONCE_FOLIO Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 05/27] mm: Add folio reference count functions Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:30   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 06/27] mm: Add put_folio Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:31   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 07/27] mm: Add get_folio Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:32   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 08/27] mm: Create FolioFlags Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:34   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 09/27] mm: Handle per-folio private data Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:37   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 10/27] mm/filemap: Add folio_index, folio_file_page and folio_contains Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:39   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 11/27] mm/filemap: Add folio_next_index Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:40   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 12/27] mm/filemap: Add folio_offset and folio_file_offset Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 13/27] mm/util: Add folio_mapping and folio_file_mapping Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:45   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 14/27] mm: Add folio_mapcount Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:46   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 15/27] mm/memcg: Add folio wrappers for various functions Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:48   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 16/27] mm/filemap: Add unlock_folio Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:51   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 17/27] mm/filemap: Add lock_folio Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:52   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 18/27] mm/filemap: Add lock_folio_killable Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:53   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 19/27] mm/filemap: Add __lock_folio_async Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:55   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 20/27] mm/filemap: Add __lock_folio_or_retry Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 13:57   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 21/27] mm/filemap: Add wait_on_folio_locked Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 14:11   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 22/27] mm/filemap: Add end_folio_writeback Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 14:13   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 23/27] mm/writeback: Add wait_on_folio_writeback Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 14:15   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 24/27] mm/writeback: Add wait_for_stable_folio Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 14:18   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 25/27] mm/filemap: Convert wait_on_page_bit to wait_on_folio_bit Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 14:19   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 26/27] mm/filemap: Convert wake_up_page_bit to wake_up_folio_bit Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 14:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-31 18:47 ` [PATCH v6 27/27] mm/filemap: Convert page wait queues to be folios Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-04-06 14:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-01  7:05 ` [PATCH v6 00/27] Memory Folios Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-01 11:26   ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-04-01 12:28     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-04-01 12:52       ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-04-01 13:30         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-04-02 14:37     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-02 14:49       ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-04-03  0:31 ` Kent Overstreet
2021-04-05 19:14 ` Jeff Layton
2021-04-05 19:31   ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-04-06 15:14     ` Jeff Layton [this message]

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