From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com>
Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
Yoshihiro Shimoda <yoshihiro.shimoda.uh@renesas.com>,
"ulf.hansson@linaro.org" <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>,
"lgirdwood@gmail.com" <lgirdwood@gmail.com>,
"magnus.damm@gmail.com" <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
"linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org"
<linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC v4 2/4] regulator: fixed: add regulator_ops members for suspend/resume
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:26:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200629172651.GG5499@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200629164207.GB27911@bogus>
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 05:42:07PM +0100, Sudeep Holla wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 05:14:50PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 04:07:28PM +0100, Sudeep Holla wrote:
> >
> > > The specification states clearly:
> > > "... all devices in the system must be in a state that is compatible
> > > with entry into the system state. These preconditions are beyond the scope
> > > of this specification and are therefore not described here."
> > > "Prior to the call, the OS must disable all sources of wakeup other than
> > > those it needs to support for its implementation of suspend to RAM."
> > This gets a bit circular for a generic OS since the OS needs some way to
> > figure out what it's supposed to do on a given platform - for example
> > the OS may be happy to use wakeup sources that the firmware is just
> > going to cut power on.
> While I understand the sentiments here, PSCI is targeted to address CPU
> power state management mainly and system states like suspend/reset and
> poweroff which involves last CPU. This is one of the reason it is out of
> the scope of the specification.
Sure, but as soon as we start talking about the last CPU stuff we're
inevitably talking about the system as a whole.
> Here is my understanding. DT specifies all the wakeup sources. Linux
> can configure those and user may choose to enable a subset of them is
> wakeup. As stated in the spec and also based on what we already do in
> the kernel, we disable all other wakeup sources.
> The PSCI firmware can then either read those from the interrupt controller
> or based on static platform understanding, must not disable those wakeup
> sources.
That bit about static platform understanding isn't super helpful for the
OS, so long as the firmware might do that the OS is pretty much out of
luck.
> > > I see nothing has been fixed in the firmware too and we are still
> > > discussing the same after 3 years 😄. Clearly we should start trusting
> > > firmware and built capability to fix and replace it if there are bugs
> > > just like kernel and stop hacking around in the kernel to deal with
> > > just broken platform/psci firmware.
> > This isn't just an issue of buggy firmware as far as I can see, it's
> > also a lack of ability for the OS and firmware to communicate
> > information about their intentions to each other. As things stand you'd
> > need to put static information in the DT.
> It is easy for DT to get out of sync with firmware unless it is generated
> by the same firmware. That's the reason why I am against such multiple
The ability for things to get out of sync also concerns me as I said
further back in the thread but I'm not sure we have much alternative,
realistically we're going to need some facility to work around firmware
that isn't ideal.
> sources of information. I understand ACPI has more flexibility and I did
ACPI has a much stronger idea of what the system looks like which helps
it a lot here.
> Each device or platform having its specific property in DT is not scalable.
> Not sure if it is a generic problem. If it is, I would like to understand
> more details on such lack of ability for communtication between OS and
> firmware.
It seems like a generic issue from where I'm sitting.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-06-29 18:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-06-26 9:32 [PATCH/RFC v4 0/4] treewide: add regulator condition on _mmc_suspend() Yoshihiro Shimoda
2020-06-26 9:32 ` [PATCH/RFC v4 1/4] regulator: core: add prepare and resume_early Yoshihiro Shimoda
2020-06-26 14:30 ` Mark Brown
2020-06-29 2:12 ` Yoshihiro Shimoda
2020-06-26 9:32 ` [PATCH/RFC v4 2/4] regulator: fixed: add regulator_ops members for suspend/resume Yoshihiro Shimoda
2020-06-26 14:39 ` Mark Brown
2020-06-29 2:42 ` Yoshihiro Shimoda
2020-06-29 12:57 ` Mark Brown
2020-06-29 13:40 ` Sudeep Holla
2020-06-29 14:15 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-06-29 15:07 ` Sudeep Holla
2020-06-29 16:14 ` Mark Brown
2020-06-29 16:42 ` Sudeep Holla
2020-06-29 17:26 ` Mark Brown [this message]
2020-06-29 17:42 ` Sudeep Holla
2020-06-30 8:29 ` Yoshihiro Shimoda
2020-06-26 9:32 ` [PATCH/RFC v4 3/4] mmc: core: Call mmc_poweroff_nofity() if regulators are disabled Yoshihiro Shimoda
2020-06-26 15:13 ` Mark Brown
2020-06-29 2:49 ` Yoshihiro Shimoda
2020-06-26 15:53 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2020-06-29 5:16 ` Yoshihiro Shimoda
2020-06-26 9:32 ` [PATCH/RFC v4 4/4] arm64: dts: renesas: add regulator-off-in-suspend property for eMMC Yoshihiro Shimoda
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