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From: Sowjanya Komatineni <>
To: Thierry Reding <>,
	Dmitry Osipenko <>
Cc: Ulf Hansson <>,
	Jonathan Hunter <>,
	Adrian Hunter <>,
	"" <>,
	linux-tegra <>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] sdhci: tegra: Remove warnings about missing device-tree properties
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 08:22:47 -0700
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In-Reply-To: <20200522123437.GF2163848@ulmo>

On 5/22/20 5:34 AM, Thierry Reding wrote:
> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 03:18:40PM +0300, Dmitry Osipenko wrote:
>> 22.05.2020 15:13, Thierry Reding пишет:
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 09:09:33AM -0700, Sowjanya Komatineni wrote:
>>>> On 5/20/20 4:26 AM, Ulf Hansson wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 04:00, Dmitry Osipenko <> wrote:
>>>>>> 19.05.2020 23:44, Sowjanya Komatineni пишет:
>>>>>>> On 5/19/20 12:07 PM, Sowjanya Komatineni wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/19/20 11:41 AM, Sowjanya Komatineni wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/19/20 11:34 AM, Sowjanya Komatineni wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/19/20 9:33 AM, Dmitry Osipenko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 19.05.2020 19:24, Thierry Reding пишет:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 05:05:27PM +0300, Dmitry Osipenko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19.05.2020 10:28, Ulf Hansson пишет:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 17:44, Dmitry Osipenko <>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Several people asked me about the MMC warnings in the KMSG log and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to tell to ignore them because these warning are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-Tegra210 SoCs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are the warnings irrelevant?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's what the DT binding doc says [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Although, looking at the driver's code and TRM docs, it seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those properties are really irrelevant only to the older Terga20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SoC. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the binding doc is a bit misleading.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nevertheless, the binding explicitly says that the properties are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> optional, which is correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Optional only means that drivers must not fail if these properties
>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't found, it doesn't mean that the driver can't warn that they
>>>>>>>>>>>> are missing.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite possibly the only reason why they were made optional is because
>>>>>>>>>>>> they weren't part of the bindings since the beginning. Anything added
>>>>>>>>>>>> to a binding after the first public release has to be optional by
>>>>>>>>>>>> definition, otherwise DT ABI wouldn't be stable.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think these warnings were added on purpose, though I also see that
>>>>>>>>>>>> there are only values for these in device tree for Tegra186 and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tegra194
>>>>>>>>>>>> but not Tegra210 where these should also be necessary.
>>>>>>>>>> dt binding doc we have is common for MMC, SD and SDIO of all Tegras.
>>>>>>>>>> Its not mandatory to have both 3v3 and 1v8 in device tree as based
>>>>>>>>>> on signal mode.
>>>>>>>>>> As these driver strengths are SoC specific, they are part of Tegra
>>>>>>>>>> SoC specific device tree where same values will be applicable to all
>>>>>>>>>> Tegra SoC specific platforms.
>>>>>>>>>> Based on interface usage on platform, we use one or both of them
>>>>>>>>>> like sdcard supports dual voltage and we use both 3V3 and 1V8 but if
>>>>>>>>>> same interface is used for WIFI SD we use 1V8 only.
>>>>>>>>>> So made these dt properties as optional.
>>>>>>>>>> Other reason they are optional is, Tegra210 and prior has drive
>>>>>>>>>> strength settings part of apb_misc and Tegra186 and later has driver
>>>>>>>>>> strengths part of SDMMC controller. So,
>>>>>>>>>> - Pinctrls "sdmmc-3v3-drv" and "sdmmc-1v8-drv" for driver strengths
>>>>>>>>>> are applicable for Tegra210 and prior.
>>>>>>>>>> - dt properties pad-autocal-pull-up/down-offset-1v8/3v3-timeout are
>>>>>>>>>> for T186 onwards for driver strengths
>>>>>>>>>> Looks like dt binding doc need fix to clearly document these based
>>>>>>>>>> on SoC or agree with Yaml we can conditionally specify pinctrl or dt
>>>>>>>>>> properties based on SoC dependent.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding Sowjanya who wrote this code. Perhaps she can clarify why the
>>>>>>>>>>>> warnings were added. If these values /should/ be there on a subset of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tegra, then I think we should keep them, or add them again, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>> add a better way of identifying when they are necessary and when
>>>>>>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> safe to work without them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That said, looking at those checks I wonder if they are perhaps just
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong. Or at the very least they seem redundant. It looks to me like
>>>>>>>>>>>> they can just be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>       if (tegra_host->pinctrl_state_XYZ == NULL) {
>>>>>>>>>>>>           ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>       }
>>>>>>>>>>>> That !IS_ERR(...) doesn't seem to do anything. But in that case, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> also obvious why we're warning about them on platforms where these
>>>>>>>>>>>> properties don't exist in DT.
>>>>>>>>>> As drive strengths are through dt properties for T186 and later and
>>>>>>>>>> thru pinctrl for T210 and prior, driver first checks for dt autocal
>>>>>>>>>> timeout pull-up/down properties and if they are not found, it then
>>>>>>>>>> checks for presence of pinctrl_state_xyx_drv only when valid
>>>>>>>>>> pinctrl_state_xyz is present.
>>>>>>>>>> Driver expects either pinctrl or dt properties and shows warning
>>>>>>>>>> when neither of them are present as its mandatory to use fixed
>>>>>>>>>> driver strengths when auto calibration fails.
>>>>>>>>>>       err = device_property_read_u32(host->mmc->parent,
>>>>>>>>>>               "nvidia,pad-autocal-pull-down-offset-3v3-timeout",
>>>>>>>>>>               &autocal->pull_down_3v3_timeout);
>>>>>>>>>>       if (err) {
>>>>>>>>>>           if (!IS_ERR(tegra_host->pinctrl_state_3v3) &&
>>>>>>>>>>               (tegra_host->pinctrl_state_3v3_drv == NULL))
>>>>>>>>>>               pr_warn("%s: Missing autocal timeout 3v3-pad drvs\n",
>>>>>>>>>>                   mmc_hostname(host->mmc));
>>>>>>>>>>           autocal->pull_down_3v3_timeout = 0;
>>>>>>>>>>       }
>>>>>>>>>>>> So I think we either need to add those values where appropriate so
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> the warning doesn't show, or we need to narrow down where they are
>>>>>>>>>>>> really needed and add a corresponding condition.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But again, perhaps Sowjanya can help clarify if these really are only
>>>>>>>>>>>> needed on Tegra210 and later or if these also apply to older chips.
>>>>>>>>>>> Either way will be cleaner to convert the DT binding to YAML rather
>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>> clutter the driver, IMO.
>>>>>>>>> Auto calibration is present from Tegra30 onward and looking into
>>>>>>>>> change where autocalibration was added to sdhci driver somehow it was
>>>>>>>>> enabled only for T30/T210/T186/T194.
>>>>>>>>> tegra_sdhci_parse_pad_autocal_dt() was added when auto-calibration
>>>>>>>>> was added to driver and I see this dt parse is being done
>>>>>>>>> irrespective of NVQUIRK_HAS_PADCALIB quirk so even on platforms
>>>>>>>>> without auto cal enabled in driver, these messages shows up.
>>>>>>>>> This should be fixed in driver to allow
>>>>>>>>> tegra_sdhci_parse_pad_autocal_dt() only when NVQUIRK_HAS_PADCALIB is
>>>>>>>>> set to avoid dt parsing to happen on platforms that don't have auto
>>>>>>>>> cal enabled.
>>>>>>>> Warning on missing drive strengths when auto cal is enabled should be
>>>>>>>> present as we should switch to fixed recommended drive strengths when
>>>>>>>> auto cal fails.
>>>>>>>> So probably proper fix should be
>>>>>>>> - allow tegra_sdhci_parse_pad_autocal_dt() only when
>>>>>>>> NVQUIRK_HAS_PADCALIB is set
>>>>>>>> - current driver sets NVQUIRK_HAS_PADCALIB for T30 as well so need to
>>>>>>>> add pinctrls "sdmmc-3v3-drv" and "sdmmc-1v8-drv" to Tegra30 device tree.
>>>>>>> [Correction] T30 has same drive strengths to use irrespective of signal
>>>>>>> voltage and it doesn't have pad control. So for T3- we can update device
>>>>>>> tree to specify "default" pinctrl with drvup/dn settings.
>>>>>>>> - Keep warning message of missing auto cal timeouts as its mandatory
>>>>>>>> to use fixed recommended driver strengths when auto cal fails.
>>>>>>> Regarding warnings, I guess simpler and easy fix is to remove warning
>>>>>>> message on missing 3v3/1v8 drive strengths as pinctrl/dt properties were
>>>>>>> already added for T210/186/194 where we need and old device tree don't
>>>>>>> have them but the case where auto cal can fail is very rare.
>>>>>>> Otherwise should update driver to allow
>>>>>>> tegra_sdhci_parse_pad_autocal_dt() only when NVQUIRK_HAS_PADCALIB is set
>>>>>>> and also within tegra_sdhci_parse_pad_autocal_dt() show warning of
>>>>>>> missing 3v3/1v8 settings only when NVQUIRK_NEEDS_PAD_CONTROL is set.
>>>>>>> Thierry, please suggest if you prefer to removing warnings or fix driver
>>>>>>> to show warning based on PADCALIB and PAD_CONTROL quirks.
>>>>>> The SDIO PINCTRL drive-strengths are usually a part of the board's
>>>>>> default PINCTRL state, which is either preset by bootloader or by
>>>>>> PINCTRL driver early at a boot time.
>>>>>> The SDIO drive-strengths values should be board-specific and not
>>>>>> SoC-specific because they should depend on the electrical properties of
>>>>>> the board, IIUC.
>>>> Drive strengths we program here when auto calibration fails are recommended
>>>> values based on pre-SI circuit analysis and characterized across PVT.
>>>> So,  these fail safe values are same for all boards of specific SoC as all
>>>> platform designs follow the design guidelines.
>>>>>> If the SDIO PINCTRL states are mandatory for the SDHCI nodes in the
>>>>>> device-trees, then the DT binding is wrong since it says that all
>>>>>> properties are optional. But I think that the current binding is okay,
>>>>>> since today SDHCI PINCTRL drive-strengths are specified implicitly in
>>>>>> the device-trees, and thus, there is no real need to emit the noisy
>>>>>> warnings in this case.
>>>>> For now I will keep $subject patch applied, but please tell me if I
>>>>> should drop it so we can start over.
>>>>> In any case, I would appreciate it if someone could have a stab at
>>>>> converting sdhci and tegra DT bindings to yaml.
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Uffe
>>>> HI Uffe,
>>>> Please drop $subject patch. Will send patch that allows parsing for these
>>>> properties only for SoC where auto cal is enabled as that's where driver
>>>> needs these properties.
>>>> So with this fix, warning will not show up on systems where autocal is not
>>>> enabled.
>>> Yes, I think that's a better option. Have we ensured that on all systems
>>> where autocal is enabled these values are part of the device tree? Just
>>> making sure that we're not going to have some generation still spit out
>>> these warnings because we forgot to update the device tree.
>>> For example I see that we set NVQUIRK_HAS_PADCALIB but I don't see these
>>> properties being set in arch/arm/boot/dts/tegra30.dtsi. Can you add a
>>> patch that also adds the properties for Tegra30?
>> I don't see the warnings on T30 using Sowjanya's patch which checks for

Both of these quirks are different.

PADCALIB is for auto calibration support.

NEEDS_PAD_CONTROL is for SoC having separate 3V3 and 1V8 pads where they 
have pad state selection and also diff drive strengths apply based on 
3V3 and 1V8 which are used only when auto cal is not used/failed.

So, above warnings are applicable only for SoC having separate pad 
controls. Other SoC which don't have separate pads use default drive 

> Yeah, I noticed that too when looking at Sowjanya's patch. The fact that
> we have two of these quirks is somewhat confusing to me. Perhaps we can
> add a comment near their definition to clarify what their purpose is?
> Thierry

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Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-16 15:43 Dmitry Osipenko
2020-05-19  7:28 ` Ulf Hansson
2020-05-19 14:05   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2020-05-19 15:29     ` Ulf Hansson
2020-05-19 16:24     ` Thierry Reding
2020-05-19 16:33       ` Dmitry Osipenko
2020-05-19 18:34         ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-05-19 18:41           ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-05-19 19:07             ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-05-19 20:44               ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-05-20  2:00                 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2020-05-20 11:26                   ` Ulf Hansson
2020-05-20 16:09                     ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-05-22 12:13                       ` Thierry Reding
2020-05-22 12:18                         ` Dmitry Osipenko
2020-05-22 12:34                           ` Thierry Reding
2020-05-22 15:22                             ` Sowjanya Komatineni [this message]
2020-05-22 15:26                               ` Thierry Reding
2020-05-22 15:57                                 ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-05-25  8:47                         ` Ulf Hansson

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