From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jude DaShiell Subject: Re: dosemu and accessibility Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 08:13:02 -0400 Message-ID: References: <31a90afb-a8f4-9954-375f-701214fe49d5@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=panix.com; s=panix; t=1617192782; bh=SapzJvv1+UjSx8Yi9DKjEdd9rT9Ah7E+Q0sHzhoQtbE=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=dJAWijquMbFw35j4aYS0a5bHR0SMElWcO455rr/IJk4n/9TWYWZgJorKFRDRAjmMh twY75XV3tu/GxTHkCE8+GSyGusf5+ltOlYl25OUTmsN4lI6d+edb56b0tJB/QSskLN m+e4MAaOV7WaS/YROdFwL0UhjiASxEPLeuir/VzM= In-Reply-To: <31a90afb-a8f4-9954-375f-701214fe49d5@gmail.com> List-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" To: Julius Schwartzenberg Cc: linux-msdos@vger.kernel.org Yes, easier to get to with top posting. Slackware hasn't yet got dosemu2 but archlinux has it in git and since hard drives are interchangeable here I can run archlinux. On Wed, 31 Mar 2021, Julius Schwartzenberg wrote: > Are mail replies at the top easier for you to process? > > It would be better to move to DOSEMU2 as nobody can really help with the > older version anymore. Do you have the ability to sign up for a GitHub > account? To receive the mails on dosemu2 one has to log on to GitHub and > press "watch" and then "all activity" at the top of of this page: > https://github.com/dosemu2/dosemu2 > > Let it know if that turns out to be difficult. Using dumb or terminal mode > would indeed seem the easiest way to have dosemu accessible as those modes > are entirely text based. Are you aware of graphical software for dos that has > accessibility features? > > Op 30-03-2021 om 21:59 schreef Jude DaShiell: >> Hi, I have cloned stuff from github before and built it on my system. This >> distribution is slint.  When packages are new, slackbuilds.org may have a >> SlackBuild script made for the package so others can install it on slint >> and on slackware.  Slint is slackware international version and is at >> https://slint.fr/.  All of this work was done in dosemu 1.4.0.8. >> I learned sdl exposes no accessibility information at all so it's >> unuseable for any screen readers.  I thought that was the case and got it >> confirmed by a sighted person doing accessibility work on orca.  I'm >> running dosemu with espeakup and will try it later with provox and tdsr >> two other console screen readers. >> Better yet to move on up to dosemu2 as well.  Thanks for the heads up on >> this and if dosemu2 has its own email list I'd like to subscribe to that >> one. >> >> >> On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, Julius Schwartzenberg wrote: >> >>> Hi Jude, >>> >>> Op 29-03-2021 om 10:43 schreef Jude DaShiell: >>>>  I put a .dosemurc and .mtoolsrc file together since a long-standing >>>> friend >>>>  has some dos applications he'd like to run and both of us are blind. >>> I saw some of your previous messages and I think it is important to >>> highlight that as you are blind, you are using different equipment than >>> what previous respondents probably assumed you were using. >>> >>> This mailing list is barely used anymore by the rest of the DOSEMU user >>> community and so are all the 1.x versions of DOSEMU. There is now a >>> GitHub project started by Stas, the DOSEMU 2 project, with versioning to >>> be 2.x based and interaction went over to the infrastructure that GitHub >>> is providing. The accessibility consequences of this were most likely >>> never taken into consideration. >>> >>> Unfortunately it is not something that can be changed overnight, but I >>> think it would be appropriate to strive to fix this, especially if you >>> would be interested in being more involved and/or there might be even >>> more DOSEMU users in a similar situation. >>> >>> My proposal would be to set up some simple webpages that are friendly to >>> screen readers and braille devices as part of the new DOSEMU 2 project >>> with instructions to install newer packages particularly for >>> distributions that handle screen readers and braille screens well or at >>> least the distributions popular among users of such devices. Maybe your >>> .dosemurc and .mtoolsrc could be provided as well. >>> >>> There could possibly be an instruction to sign up your e-mail address as >>> a so-called watcher to the DOSEMU 2 project or maybe we could link this >>> mailing list so it watches the DOSEMU 2 project. The amount of traffic is >>> quite significant, on some days only a few messages, but sometimes there >>> might be over 20 mails a day. Note that you can respond to those messages >>> by e-mail and the replies will by part of the conversation as usual. >>> Searching online I found a community on GitHub called Blind Computing. >>> Maybe we could ask them for advice. >>> >>> How easy would it be for you to upgrade to a newer DOSEMU if packages are >>> not provided by your distribution? Which distribution are you using? >>> What do you think of my proposals regarding the mails? >>> >>> Here is the GitHub project for DOSEMU 2, I do not know if you can access >>> it comfortably: >>> https://github.com/dosemu2 >>> >>> Here is the page on the Blind Computing website about contributing to >>> their GitHub project: >>> https://blindcomputing.org/contributing/ >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Julius >>> >