From: Pratyush Yadav <p.yadav@ti.com>
To: Vignesh Raghavendra <vigneshr@ti.com>
Cc: Tudor Ambarus <tudor.ambarus@microchip.com>,
Richard Weinberger <richard.weinberger@gmail.com>,
Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] mtd: Make sure UBIFS does not do multi-pass page programming on flashes that don't support it
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 18:15:29 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201103124527.x6mp6slck44aotzn@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fa578bda-132a-320a-264c-d973bae194dd@ti.com>
On 03/11/20 05:05PM, Vignesh Raghavendra wrote:
>
>
> On 11/1/20 3:14 AM, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 12:24 PM Pratyush Yadav <p.yadav@ti.com> wrote:
> >>> [0] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mtd/20201005153138.6437-1-p.yadav@ti.com/
> >>
> >> Ping. Any comments on the series?
> >
> > From the UBIFS point of view I'd like to avoid as many device specific
> > settings as possible.
> > We check already for NOR flash, checking for NOR *and* SPI_NOR_NO_MULTI_PASS_PP
> > feels a bit clumsy.
> >
> > Tudor, what do you think about SPI_NOR_NO_MULTI_PASS_PP?
> > This kind of NOR seems to be a little NAND'ish. Maybe we can hide this detail
> > in the mtd framework?
> >
>
> Agree with Richard. I don't see need for SPI_NOR_NO_MULTI_PASS_PP. From
> MTD point of view setting mtd->writesize to be equal to pagesize should
> be enough. Its upto clients of MTD devices to ensure there is no multi
> pass programming within a "writesize" block.
That is what I initially thought too but then I realized that multi-pass
programming is completely different from page-size programming. Instead
of writing 4 bytes twice, you can zero out the entire page in one single
operation. You would be compliant with the write size requirement but
you still do multi-pass programming because you did not erase the page
before this operation.
It is also not completely correct to say the Cypress S28 flash has a
write size of 256. You _can_ write one byte if you want. You just can't
write to that page again without erasing it first. For example, if a
file system only wants to write 128 bytes on a page, it can do so
without having to write the whole page. It just needs to make sure it
doesn't write to it again without erasing first.
nor_erase_prepare() was written to handle quirks of some specific
devices. Not every device starts filling zeroes from the end of a page.
So we have device-specific code in UBIFS already. You will obviously
need device-specific settings to have control over that code.
One might argue that we should move nor_erase_prepare() out of UBIFS.
But requiring a flash to start erasing from the start of the page is a
UBIFS-specific requirement. Other users of a flash might not care about
it at all.
And so we have ourselves a bit of a conundrum. Adding
SPI_NOR_NO_MULTI_PASS_PP is IMHO the least disruptive answer. If the
file system wants to do multi-pass page programming on NOR flashes, how
else do we tell it not to do it for this specific flash?
> If this is not clear in the current documentation of struct mtd, then
> that can be updated.
--
Regards,
Pratyush Yadav
Texas Instruments India
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-11-03 12:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-10-12 18:04 [PATCH 0/3] mtd: Make sure UBIFS does not do multi-pass page programming on flashes that don't support it Pratyush Yadav
2020-10-12 18:04 ` [PATCH 1/3] mtd: abi: Introduce MTD_NO_MULTI_PASS_WRITE Pratyush Yadav
2020-10-12 18:04 ` [PATCH 2/3] UBI: Do not zero out EC and VID when multi-pass writes are not supported Pratyush Yadav
2020-11-03 11:48 ` Vignesh Raghavendra
2020-11-03 11:59 ` Richard Weinberger
2020-11-03 12:47 ` Pratyush Yadav
2020-10-12 18:04 ` [PATCH 3/3] mtd: spi-nor: core: Introduce SPI_NOR_NO_MULTI_PASS_PP Pratyush Yadav
2020-10-27 11:18 ` [PATCH 0/3] mtd: Make sure UBIFS does not do multi-pass page programming on flashes that don't support it Pratyush Yadav
2020-10-31 21:44 ` Richard Weinberger
2020-11-03 11:35 ` Vignesh Raghavendra
2020-11-03 12:45 ` Pratyush Yadav [this message]
2020-11-05 12:21 ` Vignesh Raghavendra
2020-11-05 13:19 ` Pratyush Yadav
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