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From: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Next Mailing List <linux-next@vger.kernel.org>,
	mhiramat@kernel.org, ast@kernel.org, hjl.tools@gmail.com,
	rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, rppt@kernel.org,
	linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org, Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com,
	ndesaulniers@google.com
Subject: Re: linux-next: build warnings after merge of the tip tree
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:23:23 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220323112323.65337d76d96836e487064a99@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Yjneyn8o06svJkY4@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:35:54 +0100
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 09:12:42AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> 
> > > Suppose:
> > > 
> > > notrace func_B()
> > > {
> > > 	...
> > > }
> > > 
> > > func_A()
> > > {
> > > 	...
> > > 	return func_B();
> > > }
> > > 
> > > then inhibiting tail calls would end up looking like:
> > 
> > If we inhibit tail calls, then we do not need to make func_B notrace.
> 
> Dude, you're arguing in circles :-( the notrace was a given.
> 
> > > func_A:
> > > 	call __fentry__
> > > 	...
> > > 	call func_B
> > > 	call __fexit__
> > > 	ret
> > > 
> > > Then A is fully traced, B is invisible, as per spec. What is the
> > > problem?
> > 
> > The above is fine, but then func_B is not a tail call and can also be
> > traced.
> 
> Again, B is notrace as a given. This was all about how to deal with
> notrace functions.
> 
> I suggested inhibiting tail-call to notrace, you said no. You now seem to
> agree that solves it.
> 
> > > The problem you initially had, of doing a tail-call into a notrace, was
> > > that the __fexit__ call went missing, because notrace will obviously not
> > > have that. But that's avoided by inhibiting all tail-calls between
> > > notrace and !notrace functions (note that notrace must also not
> > > tail-call !notrace).
> > 
> > I'm confused by the above. Why can't a notrace tail call a !notrace?
> > If we tail call to a
> > 
> > func_B:
> > 	call __fentry__
> > 	...
> > 	call __fexit__
> > 	ret
> > 
> > then the fentry and fexit show a perfectly valid trace of func_B.
> 
> Bah; I thought I had a case this morning, but now I can't seem to recall
> :/
> 
> > > Your worry seems to stem about loosing visiblilty of !notrace functions,
> > > but AFAICT that doesn't happen.
> > 
> > My worry is:
> > 
> > func_A:
> > 	call __fentry__
> > 	...
> > 	jmp func_B
> > 
> > Where do we do the call __fexit__ ?
> 
> In B (or wherever if B again does a tail-call).
> 
> > That was the original concern, and I think the proposed solutions have
> > convoluted our thoughts about what we are trying to fix. So let's go back
> > to the beginning, and see how to deal with it.
> > 
> > That is, we have:
> > 
> > func_C:
> > 	call __fenty__
> > 	...
> > 	call func_A:
> > 	...
> > 	call func_B:
> > 	...
> > 	call __fexit__
> > 	ret
> > 
> > func_A:
> > 	call __fentry__
> > 	...
> 	call __ftail__
> > 	jmp func_B
> > 
> > func_B:
> > 	call __fentry__
> > 	...
> > 	call __fexit__
> > 	ret
> > 
> > Where the above is C calling A and B as normal functions, A calling B as a
> > tail call and B just being a normal function called by both A and C (and
> > many other functions).
> 
> We need the __ftail__ thing to mark the trace-stack entry of func_A as
> complete, then any future __fexit__ will be able to pop all completed
> entries.
> 
> In recap:
> 
> 	__fentry__ -- push on trace-stack
> 	__ftail__  -- mark top-most entry complete
> 	__fexit__  -- mark top-most entry complete;
> 	              pop all completed entries
> 
> inhibit tail-calls to notrace.
> 
> > And note, I do not want to limit function tracing (which does not rely on
> > __fexit__) just because we can't figure out how to handle __fexit__.
> 
> I'm not following. Regular function tracing needs none of this.
> 
> It's function graph tracing, kretprobes and whatever else this rethook
> stuff is about that needs this because return trampolines will stop
> working somewhere in the not too distant future.

I see the __fexit__ is needed, but why __ftail__ is needed? I guess because
func_B is notrace, in that case the __fexit__ will not be in the func_B.
Am I correct?

Thank you,

-- 
Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-03-23  2:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-21  3:03 linux-next: build warnings after merge of the tip tree Stephen Rothwell
2022-03-21 12:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-21 13:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-21 13:08     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-21 13:45       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-21 14:19         ` Mark Rutland
2022-03-21 15:28         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-21 15:45           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-21 16:37             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-21 16:44               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-21 16:52                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-21 22:05                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2022-03-21 22:12                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-03-21 22:46                       ` Stephen Rothwell
2022-03-21 22:50                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-03-21 22:55                           ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-22  4:51                           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-03-22  4:53                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-03-22  7:42                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-22  4:38         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-03-21 15:28     ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-21 16:04       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-21 16:12         ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-21 16:15           ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-21 16:22             ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-21 16:39               ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-21 16:40             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-21 16:45               ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-21 16:50                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-21 16:54                   ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-22  7:54                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-22 13:12                       ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-22 14:35                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-22 15:04                           ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-22 15:19                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-22 15:48                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-22 16:17                               ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-23  2:23                           ` Masami Hiramatsu [this message]
2022-03-23  2:42                             ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-23  6:28                               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-03-22 14:25           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-03-21 16:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-22  5:31       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-03-22  8:08         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-22  9:14           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-03-22 12:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-22 12:17         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-22 12:46           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-03-22 13:22             ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-22 13:15         ` Mark Rutland
2022-03-22 13:51           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-03-22 10:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-22 10:59     ` Peter Zijlstra
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-02-02  3:59 Stephen Rothwell
2023-12-01  0:29 Stephen Rothwell
2023-12-01 12:09 ` Uros Bizjak
2023-12-04  4:08   ` Stephen Rothwell
2023-12-04  7:02     ` Uros Bizjak
2023-12-11  5:19       ` Stephen Rothwell
2023-12-11  7:06         ` Uros Bizjak
2023-06-02  3:12 Stephen Rothwell
2022-11-21  7:41 Stephen Rothwell
2022-05-20  7:49 Stephen Rothwell
2022-04-27  0:10 Stephen Rothwell
2022-04-27 11:31 ` Borislav Petkov
2022-04-27 13:43   ` Tom Lendacky
2022-03-22  3:51 Stephen Rothwell
2022-03-22 21:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-22 23:11   ` Stephen Rothwell
2021-12-17  3:40 Stephen Rothwell
2022-01-21 23:58 ` Stephen Rothwell
2022-03-15  2:32   ` Stephen Rothwell
2022-04-04  3:26     ` Stephen Rothwell
2021-10-12 10:20 Stephen Rothwell
2021-10-12 13:58 ` André Almeida
2020-11-30  7:05 Stephen Rothwell
2020-11-30 10:17 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-11-30 21:56   ` Ernst, Justin
2020-11-30 22:18     ` Borislav Petkov
2020-11-23  7:19 Stephen Rothwell
2020-11-23 23:03 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-11-02  2:53 Stephen Rothwell
2017-11-03 21:00 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2017-11-04  8:01   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-11-04 12:16     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2017-11-13 11:31 ` Stephen Rothwell
2017-06-23  4:19 Stephen Rothwell
2016-07-14  3:49 Stephen Rothwell
2016-07-14  3:37 Stephen Rothwell
2016-07-14  4:18 ` Stephen Rothwell
2012-10-12  5:11 Stephen Rothwell
2011-01-31  4:27 Stephen Rothwell
2011-01-31  5:08 ` Jaswinder Singh

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