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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: "Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@linux-mips.org>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	linux-next@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi-suse@firstfloor.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: linux-next: Tree for June 13: IO APIC breakage on HP nx6325
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:35:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <486B4BDA.4060203@firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.55.0807020223140.6284@cliff.in.clinika.pl>

Maciej W. Rozycki wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> 
>> Well, there are lots of pieces of hardware that are not up to the
>> specifications, more or less, and I don't think that's a good enough reason
>> for us to refuse to support them.  The same applies to BIOSes IMO.
> 
>  Refusing to support broken hardware would provide some incentive to
> manufacturers to improve it, because people would rather not buy
> unsupported pieces of junk. 

For most consumer level hardware the vendors generally don't
really care if Linux runs on it or not.

Also they very rarely fix anything after release anyways because
they don't make enough money on it.

For server hardware that is different (vendors care about Linux,
but typically not about mainline, but about given RHEL/SLES  releases),
but even there we generally try to work around BIOS bugs
(at least as long as it is possible)
because it tends to be quite difficult logistically to require
a BIOS update. In the end it just hurts the user.

> I realise that may be impractical though 

It is.

> we would get the blame anyway, because "it runs the other OS just fine."

That is exactly what happens.

-Andi

  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-02  9:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-13 13:22 linux-next: Tree for June 13 Stephen Rothwell
2008-06-13 17:13 ` linux-next: Tree for June 13 (XEN) Randy Dunlap
2008-06-13 22:16   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-14 20:31     ` Jens Axboe
2008-06-14 23:13       ` Randy Dunlap
2008-06-15  6:11       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-16 19:30         ` Jens Axboe
2008-06-16 20:40           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-13 22:58 ` linux-next: Tree for June 13 (x86_64: panic) Randy Dunlap
2008-06-14  8:16   ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-06-14 23:15     ` Randy Dunlap
2008-06-15 16:33 ` linux-next: Tree for June 13 (soft lockup) Randy Dunlap
2008-06-15 18:31 ` linux-next: Tree for June 13 Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]   ` <200806160314.49489.rjw@sisk.pl>
2008-06-16  2:45     ` linux-next: Tree for June 13: IO APIC breakage on HP nx6325 Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-16 13:39       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-16 15:39         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-16 22:38           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-16 23:05             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-17  7:12               ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-17 20:44                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-17 22:19                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-17 22:25                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-18  8:02                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-18 12:41                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-18 14:37                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-18 14:40                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-18 15:29                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-21 22:47                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-18 13:15                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-18 13:14                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-17 20:59             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-17 21:19               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-17 21:38                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-17 22:53                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-18  4:02                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-18 19:06                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-06-18 22:36                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-20 18:59                           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-06-20 20:44                             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-18 22:11                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-18 23:39                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-19  0:25                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-20  0:35                             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-20 11:53                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-20 11:57                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-20 12:22                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-20 12:27                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-21  1:09                                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-21  1:40                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-21  2:41                                           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-21 12:38                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-26 19:52                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-27  0:06                                             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-29 14:00                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-29 19:05                                                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-29 19:23                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-29 19:56                                                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-29 20:02                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-29 20:14                                                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-29 23:06                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-30  0:45                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-06-30  0:47                                                               ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-30  1:39                                                             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-30  9:24                                                               ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-02  1:19                                                                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-30 10:41                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-07-02  1:48                                                                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-07-02  9:35                                                                   ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2008-06-29 22:59                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-29 22:56                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-30  1:00                                                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-30  9:06                                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-30 15:29                                                             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-30 15:35                                                               ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-29 19:23                                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-29 19:31                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-29 20:03                                                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-29 20:07                                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-29 20:16                                                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-24  9:15                                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-26  8:37                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-27  1:53                                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-07-08 12:48                                         ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-21  1:49                                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-19  9:35                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-19 18:17                             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-20 10:44                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-20 13:11                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-20 20:56                                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-17  0:08         ` Len Brown

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