From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS, USER_AGENT_NEOMUTT autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E07BC43381 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2019 13:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1832086D for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2019 13:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=brauner.io header.i=@brauner.io header.b="G2WBdU6b" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727751AbfBTN0K (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Feb 2019 08:26:10 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-f67.google.com ([209.85.128.67]:38573 "EHLO mail-wm1-f67.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725826AbfBTN0K (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Feb 2019 08:26:10 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-f67.google.com with SMTP id v26so6436473wmh.3 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2019 05:26:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=brauner.io; s=google; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=1JQam90U+6VOjJbiYx8tejOxAiXSTEoSs7kyr8I+VFw=; b=G2WBdU6bGnmGuvbpVAav4fL6NRioQgwohfgDFrrieMWMGgiT+Jg2vi/v+wWiXYMufa 4C1z5B/kF1sYh8GGIpAUWVY3b1agcNyixvWIq+JhskHVIuW7yJ6fnSBNTMd7SACwp6c6 D5ym2SUwCzj3JGI1bT2y5ybho+t8WhjNiRbfPTmIkZDcaJJbNUnS8w20ABrrBda45vql bYYzTY2aqeCiQVx2yaPV4BAnsPqAzOIbmJ9/+lqUtx5liYzsWHjmXK9y7gyR6J3AaJW8 ujJ9vA/ycJlGuIWTk5meRwRknAxakE24vWEny5SsX+tUF8OK0w/eexPTrtZ9qv5UWABM hRww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=1JQam90U+6VOjJbiYx8tejOxAiXSTEoSs7kyr8I+VFw=; b=sV2GkJrOdbltmp0hjNGdmYgQ95SbKOvWv5grriyooe1pD5FWqyEW+vO0rfRi3OZaS+ kts6cp06Bw05BGDcf3HeT+I+tYr/Sfq0Z2qNbZnXeQUDIY4dYNmzKOtC07B3ZKf+Sekp NqdWzyacSbbP+fKXJWZzALoNi2SfHbWwx0u6cSIQqFLRvDyztCuq122S3coIvHchUWJM a4LuOhfJAkP9VjjzNjyI1gLPPSgf8Wed9emzpZSQ3AyW2SSJ12YpByx3Olh1l8TXztTs DE2w3glzeuMkxsTHbPZgXXNlBZgZcHSZI492pJNS4Qf+jbJ588iU2qHRJqrB9IMT+0B2 ZUzw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAuZlDmQtyurNmUXHb2sv9Tn5bad+i20YXs1M5q/uu3EN41CurmDD 9sK2N1MhMmTd9816wYH4qDUDiw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IbSRhSOCjOsYRy3P9yFqZXDL9xDOkY/2Z80pS6vYHEU364Y1PNIbuHS54Q+XWmcs0PYU/Sing== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c0c3:: with SMTP id s3mr6369747wmh.141.1550669167512; Wed, 20 Feb 2019 05:26:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from brauner.io ([81.92.17.155]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j124sm5816696wmb.48.2019.02.20.05.26.04 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 20 Feb 2019 05:26:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 14:26:02 +0100 From: Christian Brauner To: Ian Kent Cc: David Howells , keyrings@vger.kernel.org, trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com, sfrench@samba.org, James Bottomley , linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 02/27] containers: Implement containers as kernel objects Message-ID: <20190220132600.c5ahsmnoihdrcqeq@brauner.io> References: <155024683432.21651.14153938339749694146.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <155024685321.21651.1504201877881622756.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <7923d4aa646fbe4bd71cfb4144f1c96f28cad972.camel@themaw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <7923d4aa646fbe4bd71cfb4144f1c96f28cad972.camel@themaw.net> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 Sender: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:46:24AM +0800, Ian Kent wrote: > On Fri, 2019-02-15 at 16:07 +0000, David Howells wrote: > > Implement a kernel container object such that it contains the following > > things: > > > > (1) Namespaces. > > > > (2) A root directory. > > > > (3) A set of processes, including one designated as the 'init' process. > > Yeah, I think a name other than init needs to be used for this > process. > > The problem being that there is no requirement for container > process 1 to behave in any way like an "init" process is > expected to behave and that leads to confusion (at least > it certainly did for me). If you look at the documentation for pid namespaces(7) you can see that the pid 1 inside a pid namespace is expected to behave like an init process: - "The first process created in a new namespace [...] has the PID 1, and is the "init" process for the namespace (see init(1))." - "[...] child process that is orphaned within the namespace will be reparented to this process rather than init(1) [...]" - "If the "init" process of a PID namespace terminates, the kernel terminates all of the processes in the namespace via a SIGKILL signal. This behavior reflects the fact that the "init" process is essential for the cor‐ rect operation of a PID namespace." - "Only signals for which the "init" process has established a signal handler can be sent to the "init" process by other members of the PID namespace." - "[...] the reboot(2) system call causes a signal to be sent to the namespace "init" process." This is one of the reasons why all major current container runtimes finally after years of failing to realize this run a stub init process that mimicks a dumb init. Sure, you get away with not having an init that behaves like an init but this is inherently broken or at least against the way pid namespaces were designed.