From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-iy0-f174.google.com ([209.85.210.174]:33008 "EHLO mail-iy0-f174.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751130Ab1FJDHc (ORCPT ); Thu, 9 Jun 2011 23:07:32 -0400 Received: by iyb14 with SMTP id 14so1863051iyb.19 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DF13B65.5030401@panasas.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 14:30:13 -0700 From: Benny Halevy To: Peng Tao CC: Jim Rees , linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, peter honeyman Subject: Re: [PATCH 87/88] Add configurable prefetch size for layoutget References: <09142112ff0115f7f22124a69ead7b9bb5e0958f.1307464382.git.rees@umich.edu> <4DEED80A.4000102@panasas.com> <20110608021852.GA20998@merit.edu> <4DF062D6.7010304@panasas.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 On 2011-06-09 07:54, Peng Tao wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Benny Halevy wrote: >> On 2011-06-08 03:15, Peng Tao wrote: >>> On 6/8/11, Jim Rees wrote: >>>> Benny Halevy wrote: >>>> >>>> NAK. >>>> This affects all layout types. In particular it is undesired >>>> for write layouts that extend the file with the objects layout. >>>> The server can extend the layout segments range >>>> over what the client requested so why would the client >>>> ask for artificially large layouts? >>>> >>>> This has actually been the subject of some debate over Thursday night >>>> beers. The problem we're trying to solve is that the client is spending 98% >>>> of its time in layoutget. This patch gives us something like a 10x >>>> speedup. But many of us think it's not the right fix. I suggest we discuss >>>> next week. >>>> >> >> Sure. >> >>>> But note that this patch doesn't change anything unless you set the sysctl. >>> there is a default value of 2M. maybe we can set it to page size by >>> default so other layout are not affected and block layout can let >>> users set it by hand if they care about performance. does this make >>> sense? >> >> If doing it at all why use a sysctl rather than a mount option? > The purpose of using a sysctl is to give client the ability to change > it on the fly. In theory, layout prefetching can benefit all layout > types. So the patch tries to solve it in the pnfs generic layer. > But the need for this varies per-server and many times per application. Think sequential vs. random I/O. Therefore a mount option would help tuning the behavior on a per-use basis. Global behavior must be implemented using a dynamic algorithm that would take both the workload and the server observed behavior into account. Benny >> Or maybe coding the logic for prefetching the layout iff sequential >> access is detected is the right thing to do. > Yeah, automatic decision should be a better way. > >> >> Benny >> >>>> -- >>>> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-nfs" in >>>> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org >>>> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html >>>> >>> >>> >> > > >