From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.1 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, MENTIONS_GIT_HOSTING,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0666AC43381 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 16:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28F120840 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 16:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=samba.org header.i=@samba.org header.b="Qig7+jMI" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726214AbfCGQrm (ORCPT ); Thu, 7 Mar 2019 11:47:42 -0500 Received: from hr2.samba.org ([144.76.82.148]:23332 "EHLO hr2.samba.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726194AbfCGQrm (ORCPT ); Thu, 7 Mar 2019 11:47:42 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=samba.org; s=42627210; h=Date:Cc:To:From:Message-ID; bh=pHqPTPwKZ1fwDv5SJA3DrynjRyPl3WyfHXsxb8Y0KJ8=; b=Qig7+jMIlziM1h6VLaS26cbTwW eWfKU3NtuFKOQzBt3DnVq7jONyp4VKImg2WCtXyMzskwa+4jyloTtixnl8XaWaZM9jLt5PjZTBIrG msxgPgloZJrzGvqUUrH7XbzFvC3NL4q/yrVoeSg/1Uep7TQI3cclVE+iMqvjFCiNZgvw=; Received: from [127.0.0.2] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hr2.samba.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_ECDSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256) (Exim) id 1h1wBG-0000zq-5S; Thu, 07 Mar 2019 16:47:38 +0000 Message-ID: <9382c15297ec44bd5d5d914b68655c5519c9a77b.camel@samba.org> Subject: Re: Better interop for NFS/SMB file share mode/reservation From: Simo To: Stefan Metzmacher , Ralph =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=F6hme?= , Jeremy Allison Cc: Linux NFS Mailing List , Volker.Lendecke@sernet.de, devel@lists.nfs-ganesha.org, Jeff Layton , Amir Goldstein , samba-technical , linux-fsdevel Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2019 11:47:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5ebdb58b-26d9-c0f2-bd67-883bc4678ac7@samba.org> References: <379106947f859bdf5db4c6f9c4ab8c44f7423c08.camel@kernel.org> <20190208155052.GB20573@fieldses.org> <20190208221239.GA199180@jra3> <20190214210652.GC9216@fieldses.org> <20190305214748.GD27437@fieldses.org> <20190306151150.GC2426@fieldses.org> <1ade4724a4e505baf7b7c23a76e44d58b931da1f.camel@kernel.org> <20190306210743.GE19279@jra3> <5ebdb58b-26d9-c0f2-bd67-883bc4678ac7@samba.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.30.5 (3.30.5-1.fc29) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org On Thu, 2019-03-07 at 12:03 +0100, Stefan Metzmacher via samba- technical wrote: > Am 06.03.19 um 22:25 schrieb Ralph Böhme via samba-technical: > > Jeremy Allison wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2019 at 03:31:08PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2019-03-06 at 10:11 -0500, J. Bruce Fields wrote: > > > > > Jeff, wasn't there some work (on Ceph maybe?) on a userspace delegation > > > > > API? Is that close to what's needed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's the C headers for that stuff: > > > > > > > > https://github.com/ceph/ceph/blob/7ba6bece4187eda5d05a9b84211fe6ba8dd287bd/src/include/cephfs/libcephfs.h#L1734 > > > > > > > > It's simple enough and works for us in ganesha, and I think we can > > > > probably adapt it to samba without too much difficulty. The callback > > > > doesn't seem like it'll do for a kernel API though -- you'd almost > > > > certainly need to do something different there (signals? inotify?). > > > > > > SMB3 leases have R/RW and Handle-based leases. > > > > Just to be precise: SMB2.1+ has R, RH, RW and RWH leases. > > > > > Handle leases allow multiple opens of the same pathname > > > that get different handles to share the lease, allowing > > > a client redirector to delay opens or closes locally > > > so long as it has a handle lease. > > > > That'a a propertly of leases in general, not just H-leases. The client provides a lease key which is a GUID with each lease request > > > > > Here are the semantics: > > > > > > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/openspecs/windows_protocols/ms-smb2/d8df943d-6ad7-4b30-9f58-96ae90fc6204 > > > > > > I'm not sure a simple file-descriptor based API is > > > enough for us. Can he have a uuid or token based > > > API instead where the server can chose what fd's > > > to cover with a token ? > > > > Yes, that would be ideal. > > If we want to design an useful API, we also need to think about > all features: > - file oplock/leases > - directory leases > - share modes > - disconnected handles (for durable and persistent handles), > which exists within the kernel for a while and can be reattached > to process, using some kind of cookie and the same euid > - the API needs ways to use epoll in order to do async opens > and lease breaks. For opens the model of async socket connects > could be used. Leases could have a signalfd-style api. > > We may not need everything at once, but we should have the full picture > in mind. And we need working code in kernel and userspace that passes > all tests (we may need to add additional test). Otherwise the kernel > creates new syscalls, which wouldn't be used by Samba in the end. Just a thought, but you should probably classify these facilities in two lists, one for items that can only reasonably be done via a kernel API and one for items that can be satisfactorily be handled via a coordinating userspace component (daemon/database/convention/other). Getting all that stuff in kernel may prove overly hard and contentious so being able to negotiate on the critical items only may be important. Simo.