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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Subject: Re: Lease semantic proposal
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:42:33 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190930084233.GO16973@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190925234602.GB12748@iweiny-DESK2.sc.intel.com>

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 04:46:03PM -0700, Ira Weiny wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 08:26:20AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > Hence, AFIACT, the above definition of a F_RDLCK|F_LAYOUT lease
> > doesn't appear to be compatible with the semantics required by
> > existing users of layout leases.
> 
> I disagree.  Other than the addition of F_UNBREAK, I think this is consistent
> with what is currently implemented.  Also, by exporting all this to user space
> we can now write tests for it independent of the RDMA pinning.

The current usage of F_RDLCK | F_LAYOUT by the pNFS code allows
layout changes to occur to the file while the layout lease is held.
IOWs, your definition of F_RDLCK | F_LAYOUT not being allowed
to change the is in direct contradition to existing users.

I've said this several times over the past few months now: shared
layout leases must allow layout modifications to be made. Only
allowing an exclusive layout lease to modify the layout rules out
many potential use cases for direct data placement and p2p DMA
applications, not to mention conflicts with the existing pNFS usage.
Layout leases need to support more than just RDMA, and tailoring the
API to exactly the immediate needs of RDMA is just going to make it
useless for anything else.

I'm getting frustrated now because we still seem to be going around
in circles and getting nowhere.

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-09-30  8:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-23 19:08 Lease semantic proposal Ira Weiny
2019-09-23 20:17 ` Jeff Layton
2019-10-01 18:17   ` Ira Weiny
2019-10-02 12:28     ` Jeff Layton
2019-10-02 19:27       ` J. Bruce Fields
2019-10-02 20:35         ` Jeff Layton
2019-10-03  8:43           ` Jan Kara
2019-10-03 15:37           ` J. Bruce Fields
2020-01-21  0:56             ` Steve French
2019-10-03  9:01     ` Jan Kara
2019-10-03 17:05       ` Ira Weiny
2019-09-23 22:26 ` Dave Chinner
2019-09-25 23:46   ` Ira Weiny
2019-09-26 11:29     ` Jeff Layton
2019-09-30  8:42     ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2019-10-01 21:01       ` Ira Weiny
2019-10-02 13:07         ` Dan Williams
2019-10-10 10:39         ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-04  7:51       ` Jan Kara

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