From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Jeremy Bongio <jbongio@google.com>
Cc: John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>,
axboe@kernel.dk, kbusch@kernel.org, hch@lst.de, sagi@grimberg.me,
jejb@linux.ibm.com, martin.petersen@oracle.com,
djwong@kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, brauner@kernel.org,
chandan.babu@oracle.com, dchinner@redhat.com,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
Prasad Singamsetty <prasad.singamsetty@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/21] fs: Add RWF_ATOMIC and IOCB_ATOMIC flags for atomic write support
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2023 09:02:53 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZSR4jeSKlppLWjQy@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOvQCn6zeHGiyfC_PH_Edop-JsMh1gUD8WL84R9oPanxOaxrsA@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 11:15:11AM -0700, Jeremy Bongio wrote:
> What is the advantage of using write flags instead of using an atomic
> open flag (O_ATOMIC)? With an open flag, write, writev, pwritev would
> all be supported for atomic writes. And this would potentially require
> less application changes to take advantage of atomic writes.
Atomic writes are not a property of the file or even the inode
itself, they are an attribute of the specific IO being issued by
the application.
Most applications that want atomic writes are using it as a
performance optimisation. They are likely already using DIO with
either AIO, pwritev2 or io_uring and so are already using the
interfaces that support per-IO attributes. Not every IO to every
file needs to be atomic, so a per-IO attribute makes a lot of sense
for these applications.
Add to that that implementing atomic IO semantics in the generic IO
paths (e.g. for buffered writes) is much more difficult. It's
not an unsolvable problem (especially now with high-order folio
support in the page cache), it's just way outside the scope of this
patchset.
-Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-10-09 22:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-29 10:27 [PATCH 00/21] block atomic writes John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 01/21] block: Add atomic write operations to request_queue limits John Garry
2023-10-03 16:40 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-04 3:00 ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-10-04 17:28 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-04 18:26 ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-10-04 21:00 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-05 8:22 ` John Garry
2023-11-09 15:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-11-09 17:01 ` John Garry
2023-11-10 6:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-11-10 9:04 ` John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 02/21] block: Limit atomic writes according to bio and queue limits John Garry
2023-11-09 15:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-11-09 17:41 ` John Garry
2023-12-04 3:19 ` Ming Lei
2023-12-04 3:55 ` Ming Lei
2023-12-04 9:35 ` John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 03/21] fs/bdev: Add atomic write support info to statx John Garry
2023-09-29 22:49 ` Eric Biggers
2023-10-01 13:23 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-02 9:51 ` John Garry
2023-10-02 18:39 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-03 0:28 ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-11-09 15:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-03 1:51 ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-03 2:57 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-10-03 7:23 ` John Garry
2023-10-03 15:46 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-10-04 14:19 ` John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 04/21] fs: Add RWF_ATOMIC and IOCB_ATOMIC flags for atomic write support John Garry
2023-10-06 18:15 ` Jeremy Bongio
2023-10-09 22:02 ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 05/21] block: Add REQ_ATOMIC flag John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 06/21] block: Pass blk_queue_get_max_sectors() a request pointer John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 07/21] block: Limit atomic write IO size according to atomic_write_max_sectors John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 08/21] block: Error an attempt to split an atomic write bio John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 09/21] block: Add checks to merging of atomic writes John Garry
2023-09-30 13:40 ` kernel test robot
2023-10-02 22:50 ` Nathan Chancellor
2023-10-04 11:40 ` John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 10/21] block: Add fops atomic write support John Garry
2023-09-29 17:51 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-02 10:10 ` John Garry
2023-10-02 19:12 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-03 0:48 ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-10-03 16:55 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-04 2:53 ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-10-04 17:22 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-04 18:17 ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-10-05 17:10 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-05 22:36 ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-05 22:58 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-06 4:31 ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-06 17:22 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-07 1:21 ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-10-03 8:37 ` John Garry
2023-10-03 16:45 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-04 9:14 ` John Garry
2023-10-04 17:34 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-04 21:59 ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-04 2:30 ` Ming Lei
2023-12-04 9:27 ` John Garry
2023-12-04 12:18 ` Ming Lei
2023-12-04 13:13 ` John Garry
2023-12-05 1:45 ` Ming Lei
2023-12-05 10:49 ` John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 11/21] fs: xfs: Don't use low-space allocator for alignment > 1 John Garry
2023-10-03 1:16 ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-03 3:00 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-10-03 4:34 ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-03 10:22 ` John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 12/21] fs: xfs: Introduce FORCEALIGN inode flag John Garry
2023-11-09 15:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 13/21] fs: xfs: Make file data allocations observe the 'forcealign' flag John Garry
2023-10-03 1:42 ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-03 10:13 ` John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 14/21] fs: xfs: Enable file data forcealign feature John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 15/21] fs: xfs: Support atomic write for statx John Garry
2023-10-03 3:32 ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-03 10:56 ` John Garry
2023-10-03 16:10 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 16/21] fs: iomap: Atomic write support John Garry
2023-10-03 4:24 ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-03 12:55 ` John Garry
2023-10-03 16:47 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-10-04 1:16 ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-24 12:59 ` John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 17/21] fs: xfs: iomap atomic " John Garry
2023-11-09 15:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-11-10 10:42 ` John Garry
2023-11-28 8:56 ` John Garry
2023-11-28 13:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-11-28 17:42 ` John Garry
2023-11-29 2:45 ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-12-04 13:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-12-04 15:19 ` John Garry
2023-12-04 15:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-12-04 18:06 ` John Garry
2023-12-05 4:55 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-12-05 11:09 ` John Garry
2023-12-05 13:59 ` Ming Lei
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 18/21] scsi: sd: Support reading atomic properties from block limits VPD John Garry
2023-09-29 17:54 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-02 11:27 ` John Garry
2023-10-06 17:52 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-06 23:48 ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 19/21] scsi: sd: Add WRITE_ATOMIC_16 support John Garry
2023-09-29 17:59 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-02 11:36 ` John Garry
2023-10-02 19:21 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 20/21] scsi: scsi_debug: Atomic write support John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 21/21] nvme: Support atomic writes John Garry
[not found] ` <CGME20231004113943eucas1p23a51ce5ef06c36459f826101bb7b85fc@eucas1p2.samsung.com>
2023-10-04 11:39 ` Pankaj Raghav
2023-10-05 10:24 ` John Garry
2023-10-05 13:32 ` Pankaj Raghav
2023-10-05 15:05 ` John Garry
2023-11-09 15:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-11-09 15:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-11-09 15:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-11-09 19:08 ` John Garry
2023-11-10 6:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-11-10 8:44 ` John Garry
2023-09-29 14:58 ` [PATCH 00/21] block " Bart Van Assche
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=ZSR4jeSKlppLWjQy@dread.disaster.area \
--to=david@fromorbit.com \
--cc=axboe@kernel.dk \
--cc=brauner@kernel.org \
--cc=chandan.babu@oracle.com \
--cc=dchinner@redhat.com \
--cc=djwong@kernel.org \
--cc=hch@lst.de \
--cc=jbongio@google.com \
--cc=jejb@linux.ibm.com \
--cc=john.g.garry@oracle.com \
--cc=kbusch@kernel.org \
--cc=linux-api@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-block@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org \
--cc=linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=martin.petersen@oracle.com \
--cc=prasad.singamsetty@oracle.com \
--cc=sagi@grimberg.me \
--cc=tytso@mit.edu \
--cc=viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).