From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C59C64EB4 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 21:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA99720660 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 21:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key) header.d=hansenpartnership.com header.i=@hansenpartnership.com header.b="LVhh111x" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org EA99720660 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=HansenPartnership.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-parisc-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726796AbeLAJIi (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Dec 2018 04:08:38 -0500 Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([66.63.167.143]:44770 "EHLO bedivere.hansenpartnership.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725867AbeLAJIi (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Dec 2018 04:08:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0728E8EE21F; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:57:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 53PQKHXr6pmS; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [153.66.254.194] (unknown [50.35.68.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 208DC8EE0C3; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:57:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1543615072; bh=ai/43JVY/4TRMf1o9+xivhIbuHIYf7eQbHj3oehkwFE=; h=Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=LVhh111x+t0WLca0uEt2AWemTBFwmb667FveL/rRs+gX+bE6cUuiBfKn+BRj++Sp8 rPAhWeNktdebvCtor+AB9mjRp9OGcW6T5gpi2DtdCqzGzbF44BswkP7yhw7x1ZVrXY XFAwCci2taJt0wkzlGUdSSKxPDpeNCWZh5r9p5ps= Message-ID: <1543615069.3031.27.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/15] Zero ****s, hugload of hugs <3 From: James Bottomley To: Jarkko Sakkinen Cc: Davidlohr Bueso , Kees Cook , LKML , Amir Goldstein , Andrew Morton , Andy Shevchenko , Daniel Axtens , "David S. Miller" , Dominik Brodowski , Maling list - DRI developers , Eric Dumazet , federico.vaga@vaga.pv.it, Geert Uytterhoeven , Helge Deller , Jonathan Corbet , Joshua Kinard , "open list:DOCUMENTATION" , "linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" , linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org, Linux Media Mailing List , Linux MIPS Mailing List , Linux mtd , linux-parisc , Linux PM list , linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, matthias.bgg@gmail.com, Network Development , nouveau , Paolo Abeni , Paul Burton , Petr Mladek , Rob Herring , sean.wang@mediatek.com, Sergey Senozhatsky , shannon.nelson@oracle.com, Stefano Brivio , Steven Rostedt , "Tobin C. Harding" , makita.toshiaki@lab.ntt.co.jp, Willem de Bruijn , Yonghong Song , yanjun.zhu@oracle.com Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:57:49 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20181130214405.GG23772@linux.intel.com> References: <20181130192737.15053-1-jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com> <20181130195652.7syqys76646kpaph@linux-r8p5> <20181130205521.GA21006@linux.intel.com> <1543611662.3031.20.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20181130214405.GG23772@linux.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.26.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-parisc-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2018-11-30 at 13:44 -0800, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote: > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 01:01:02PM -0800, James Bottomley wrote: > > No because use of what some people consider to be bad language > > isn't necessarily abusive, offensive or degrading. Our most > > heavily censored medium is TV and "fuck" is now considered > > acceptable in certain contexts on most channels in the UK and EU. > > This makes following the CoC extremely hard to a non-native speaker > as it is not too explicit on what is OK and what is not. I did > through the whole thing with an eye glass and this what I deduced > from it. OK, so something that would simply be considered in some quarters as bad language isn't explicitly banned. The thing which differentiates simple bad language from "abusive, offensive or degrading language", which is called out by the CoC, is the context and the target. So when it's a simple expletive or the code of the author or even the hardware is the target, I'd say it's an easy determination it's not a CoC violation. If someone else's code is the target or the inventor of the hardware is targetted by name, I'd say it is. Even non-native English speakers should be able to determine target and context, because that's the essence of meaning. James