From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137E0C64EB4 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 22:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA88E20863 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 22:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key) header.d=hansenpartnership.com header.i=@hansenpartnership.com header.b="gzxTDBT1" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org CA88E20863 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=HansenPartnership.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-parisc-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727048AbeLAJhW (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Dec 2018 04:37:22 -0500 Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([66.63.167.143]:45620 "EHLO bedivere.hansenpartnership.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725867AbeLAJhV (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Dec 2018 04:37:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD11F8EE34C; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JHP2IsHEu-jG; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [153.66.254.194] (unknown [50.35.68.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED8138EE0C3; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:26:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1543616792; bh=IgvIJHw97M+pXMiv3WCviWZih6dvoeamuYDxWpdjWYE=; h=Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=gzxTDBT1SHvcfFM7fJDS0b7AS5fb1xW5RrPb0I9LL32mJflXK+xtnWw0VaWTW5gtl k8SaYaR5SFVH0c6eP5MsZDrSwaVal7jSfV1GL0Bz4LuFBkbBeHnXINYIrqgxD7Pcrr z8RXk6UFMxpbUdZQikaqQu1eaTOFewZxLs3aRLZE= Message-ID: <1543616788.3031.38.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/15] Zero ****s, hugload of hugs <3 From: James Bottomley To: Jarkko Sakkinen Cc: Davidlohr Bueso , Kees Cook , LKML , Amir Goldstein , Andrew Morton , Andy Shevchenko , Daniel Axtens , "David S. Miller" , Dominik Brodowski , Maling list - DRI developers , Eric Dumazet , federico.vaga@vaga.pv.it, Geert Uytterhoeven , Helge Deller , Jonathan Corbet , Joshua Kinard , "open list:DOCUMENTATION" , "linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" , linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org, Linux Media Mailing List , Linux MIPS Mailing List , Linux mtd , linux-parisc , Linux PM list , linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, matthias.bgg@gmail.com, Network Development , nouveau , Paolo Abeni , Paul Burton , Petr Mladek , Rob Herring , sean.wang@mediatek.com, Sergey Senozhatsky , shannon.nelson@oracle.com, Stefano Brivio , Steven Rostedt , "Tobin C. Harding" , makita.toshiaki@lab.ntt.co.jp, Willem de Bruijn , Yonghong Song , yanjun.zhu@oracle.com Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:26:28 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20181130221219.GA25537@linux.intel.com> References: <20181130192737.15053-1-jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com> <20181130195652.7syqys76646kpaph@linux-r8p5> <20181130205521.GA21006@linux.intel.com> <1543611662.3031.20.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20181130214405.GG23772@linux.intel.com> <1543615069.3031.27.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20181130221219.GA25537@linux.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.26.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-parisc-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2018-11-30 at 14:12 -0800, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote: [...] > I pasted this already to another response and this was probably the > part that ignited me to send the patch set (was a few days ago, so > had to revisit to find the exact paragraph): I replied in to the other thread. > "Maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or > reject comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other > contributions that are not aligned to this Code of Conduct, or to ban > temporarily or permanently any contributor for other behaviors that > they deem inappropriate, threatening, offensive, or harmful." > > The whole patch set is neither a joke/troll nor something I would > necessarily want to be include myself. It does have the RFC tag. > > As a maintainer myself (and based on somewhat disturbed feedback from > other maintainers) I can only make the conclusion that nobody knows > what the responsibility part here means. > > I would interpret, if I read it like at lawyer at least, that even > for existing code you would need to do the changes postmorterm. That's wrong in the light of the interpretation document, yes. > Is this wrong interpretation? Should I conclude that I made a > mistake by reading the CoC and trying to understand what it > *actually* says? You can't read it in isolation, you need to read it along with the interpretation document. The latter was created precisely because there was a lot of push back on interpretation problems and ambiguities with the original CoC and it specifically covers this case (and a lot of others). James > After this discussion, I can say that I understand it less than > before. > > /Jarkko >