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From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org, robin.murphy@arm.com,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: remove the ->mapping_error method from dma_map_ops V2
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 19:31:57 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181128193157.GO30658@n2100.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whcbiSxSUprsKjVPEdN5-+o8WnTGiKxEV-+HbKNDs=iNA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:19:15AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 10:08 Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk
> wrote:
> 
> > >
> > > You already cannot do that kmalloc(), exactly because of ERR_PTR().
> >
> > I'm very sorry, but I think you are confused.
> >
> > kmalloc() returns a _virtual_ address, which quite rightly must not be
> > in the top 4K of 4GB, exactly due to ERR_PTR().  That is fine.
> >
> > However, that is a completely different kettle of fish from a physical
> > or DMA address - neither of which are virtual addresses.
> >
> 
> You cut away the part that showed that I'm not in the least confused.
> 
> Let me just paste it back in here:
> 
>   "Which is what we ALREADY do for these exact reasons. If the DMA
> mappings means that you'd need to add one more page to that list of
> reserved pages, then so be it."

We're not talking about just one more page.  We're talking about
_every_ page that _may_ map to a bus address in the range of 4GB - 4K
(a point I've already made earlier in this discussion.)

It's not just about physical addresses, it's about bus addresses,
and there are buses out there that have a translation between physical
address and bus address without IOMMUs and the like.

Can we know ahead of time about all these translations?  It means
moving that information out of various bus drivers into core
architecture code (yuck, when you have multiple different platforms)
or into DT (which means effectively breaking every damn platform
that's using older DT files) - something that we don't have to do
today.

I remain 100% opposed to your idea.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-28 19:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-22 14:02 remove the ->mapping_error method from dma_map_ops V2 Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:02 ` [PATCH 01/24] dma-direct: Make DIRECT_MAPPING_ERROR viable for SWIOTLB Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:02 ` [PATCH 02/24] swiotlb: Skip cache maintenance on map error Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:02 ` [PATCH 03/24] dma-mapping: provide a generic DMA_MAPPING_ERROR Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 04/24] dma-direct: remove the mapping_error dma_map_ops method Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 05/24] arm: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 06/24] powerpc/iommu: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 07/24] mips/jazz: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 08/24] s390: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 09/24] sparc: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 10/24] parisc/ccio: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 11/24] parisc/sba_iommu: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 12/24] arm64: remove the dummy_dma_ops mapping_error method Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 13/24] alpha: remove the mapping_error dma_map_ops method Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 14/24] ia64/sba_iommu: improve internal map_page users Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 15/24] ia64/sba_iommu: remove the mapping_error dma_map_ops method Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 16/24] ia64/sn: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 17/24] x86/amd_gart: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 18/24] x86/calgary: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 19/24] iommu: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 20/24] iommu/intel: small map_page cleanup Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 21/24] iommu/vt-d: remove the mapping_error dma_map_ops method Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 22/24] iommu/dma-iommu: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 23/24] xen-swiotlb: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 14:03 ` [PATCH 24/24] dma-mapping: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-22 16:50 ` remove the ->mapping_error method from dma_map_ops V2 Linus Torvalds
2018-11-22 17:07   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-11-22 17:09     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-22 17:14       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-11-22 17:52       ` Robin Murphy
2018-11-22 17:55         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-22 18:05           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-11-23  6:57             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-23  6:55           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-28  7:41             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-28 16:47               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-28 17:45                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-11-28 18:00                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-28 18:08                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-11-28 19:23                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                       ` <CAHk-=whcbiSxSUprsKjVPEdN5-+o8WnTGiKxEV-+HbKNDs=iNA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-11-28 19:31                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2018-11-29 16:23                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-29 17:44                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 18:31                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-29 18:53                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 18:55                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-28 19:27                     ` David Miller
2018-11-28 19:47                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-11-28 23:01                         ` Shuah Khan
2018-11-23 10:49         ` Joerg Roedel
2018-11-23 11:01           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-11-23 13:03             ` Joerg Roedel
2018-11-23 13:20               ` Russell King - ARM Linux

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